re: Does the SEC want the Sooners?

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Does the SEC want the Sooners?

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NO


guess borens pssing and moaning doesn't matter then does it..

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In 15 years, OU may have the same appeal as picking up Nebraska, but with even less prestige. A once great program that has rusted twice over.

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The problem with OU is Bob Stoops. Like Mack, he's rested on his turnaround job and being king of the castle, which was very impressive 10 years ago. The luster has faded on his 1 NC... which by the way is the longest dry spell in forever there.

OU has always had wide pipelines all over the state. It's a very different situation than Nebraska was/is in. Just need fresh blood in Norman.

As far as going to the SEC, OU and Texas are a package and always will be. Both have little sisters they'll have to bring as well.

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Don't get one coach programs. What is Duke after Coach K? What is Va Tech without Beamer?

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This really is a valid point if all other things are equal. Duke got its basketball spot because NC State got in trouble. Not hard to see the Wolfpack coming back after K has gone. VPI without Beamer is a real question mark.

Duke really has only 1 money sport and it is heavily subsidized due to population and venue size. If they remain a basketball only school and fall off over time. The Big East could be their final home.

Not often discussed is the real issue on realignment

Are you prepared to spend with the big boys and can you gets fans in the seats to pay for it.

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The problem with OU is Bob Stoops. Like Mack

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I disagree

OU has continued to show strong scheduling the whole time. Utx under Mack got softer and softer so they looked more like Baylor OOC than OU OOC. I think it caught up with Mack in the end. Strong will be interesting to watch.

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OU and Texas are a package and always will be. Both have little sisters they'll have to bring as well.

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I agree about OU and Utx but I disagree about the lesser programs. If Texas Tech or Oklahoma State ever wind up in the SEC I will be shocked. Same with the B1G. The ACC would be terrible travel so that leaves just the PAC. Problem is, if the PAC could just get Utx and OU. they could and would stop there.

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who the hell is Boren?

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Boren was the guy who wanted the Line Beards but got shut down by the folks in austin. Now he wants to go to 12 but with even lesser schools. Pretty sure this is him blowing off steam unless Utx agrees to it.

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I agree about OU and Utx but I disagree about the lesser programs. If Texas Tech or Oklahoma State ever wind up in the SEC I will be shocked. Same with the B1G. The ACC would be terrible travel so that leaves just the PAC. Problem is, if the PAC could just get Utx and OU. they could and would stop there.

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Also, they way I remember and understand is the PAC is pretty high on academics, so I seriously doubt even with Bevos clout they could drag the lesser schools along with them.

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I remember and understand is the PAC is pretty high on academics

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Yes and no. They are not AAU focused like the B1G but they would like at least decent academic schools. They were happy with the Buffs being academic but Texas Tech and OK State were both in the mix for the PAC 16. They got CU and UT keeps BYU, TCU, and Baylor out. Now it would just be if they make more money with 14 than 16. Since they own their network the threshold may be lower for value added of schools.

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When? Like 2024?

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After the GOR ends or near the end.

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Bigger question is where?

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Depends on the situation.

With Texas? The PAC. By themselves? The SEC (even though I hate that thought). Do they have AAU by then? Maybe B1G. Being in the middle of the country as a top 10 program all-time gives them some options and a lot can happen to the sport by lawsuits between now and then to predict one path. Their success or lack of it is part of the equation, as a high butthurt level could push them to dump OSU and deal with the consequences. T Boone is probably dead by then. If they win a title the Big 12 might survive. Who knows?

I would love to know where they end up because obvious reasons, but I don't see the Big 12 expanding like their President wants. He made it clear they need a Tier 3 network to make that worthwhile, and the LHN contract can't be folded into one. No two teams are worth like $30 mil apiece, heck even BYU only pulls in like $5ish million a year from their network and they have Mormon power. That ship is going to sink, and the ACC will be guaranteed a spot in the final dance. Maybe they take a WVU downgrade as part of that deal? Who knows?

My big prediction is I think Kansas moves first. I think they get an invite from another Power 5 and ruin the Big 12's combined Tier 3 value and therefore it's future, when the GOR ends. I think by then the college football bubble will have burst and therefore college basketball will have a higher relative value than it does today. KSU will be less of a problem because they will have sucked for years by then post-Wizard and no one will feel really bad for them entering a bball first league.

So take it to the bank, cardboard called it. Which means it won't happen probably.

If it's TV $ with fit, it has to be an NC school and a VA school.

Not sure why everyone is down on 16-team pod systems though. They make a lot more sense than 14-team conferences and ensure that players get to compete with every other team in a 3-year span.

It is even possible to add permanent rivalries to this type of system. You can either make the three other teams in your pod the permanent rivals (ignoring geography), or you can add in a permanent rival in addition to the 7 other in-conference games. When the rival comes up in rotation (due to cycling through pods), you add someone else.