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re: Does Gene Stallings get as much love...
Posted on 4/15/10 at 9:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 4/15/10 at 9:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Too bad the coach he referred to doesn't share that devotion.
And what coach does? Should Gene Chizik have been 'devoted' to Iowa State and stayed there when Auburn came calling? Should Derek Dooley have been 'devoted' to La Tech and stayed there when Tennessee came calling? Should Urban
Meyer have been 'devoted' to Utah and stayed there when Florida came calling? So why in the hell should Nick Saban have been turned down the Miami Dolphins? Hmmmmm? You know, its funny, I don't here Spurrier getting this kind of crap from Florida fans, and, unlike Saban and LSU, Spurrier and Florida had a deep connection.
Furthermore, what University shares that devotion to a coach? LSU clearly didn't have much devotion to Mac, Dinardo or Hallman. Auburn damn sure didn't have any for tubbs. What about Tennessee and Fulmer? Can't be more of a volunteer than Fulmer was and yet they threw him out on his arse. Texas A&M didn't have much devotion to Stallings. And no, I'm not forgetting Shula.
Just admit that the real reason for your contempt is not 'character' issues but that you're butthurt that the coach who took you to the promised land for the first time in damn near fifty years is now at another team whipping your butt.
Oh, and by the way Draconian, Saban's first contract with Alabama was worth less than his contract with Miami: 4.5 vs. 3.9 mil a year. The reason he came back wasnot that he is a 'mercenary' (whatever that means) but becuase he preferred the college game and the reason he came to Alabama is we had a vacancy and its easy to build a program here.
This post was edited on 4/15/10 at 9:43 pm
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 9:25 pm to secfan123
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And what coach does? Should Gene Chizik have been 'devoted' to Iowa State and stayed there when Auburn came calling? Should Derek Dooley have been 'devoted' to La Tech and stayed there when Tennessee came calling? Should Urban
Meyer have been 'devoted' to Utah and stayed there when Florida came calling? So why in the hell should Nick Saban have been turned down the Miami Dolphins? Hmmmmm? You know, its funny, I don't here Spurrier getting this kind of crap from Florida fans, and, unlike Saban and LSU, Spurrier and Florida had a deep connection. Just admit that the real reason for your contempt is not 'character' issues but that you're butthurt that the coach that took you to the promised land for the first time in damn near fifty years is now at another team whipping your butt.
Oh, and by the way Draconian, Saban's first contract with Alabama was worth less than his contract with Miami: 4.5 vs. 3.9 mil a year. The reason he came back was he preferred the college game and the reason he came to Alabama is we had a vacancy and its easy to build a program here.
Boom Motherfricker
Posted on 4/15/10 at 10:03 pm to secfan123
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I respect both of them for what they have done for the University. It seems that Saban gets more love because of the situation he came into and turned our program around so quickly.
Coach Bryant followed Ears and turned things around from a much worse situation.
Coach Stallings should have taken a page from Coach Bryant and changed his offense.
This post was edited on 4/15/10 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 4/15/10 at 10:23 pm to lsucoon
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compared to Saban? I know he's no longer involved (or atleast I imagine), but I just wondered if UA fans are as proud of him as you are of Saban.
by the way, he always seemed like a good guy.
He's still very much loved, and still involved at UA. He spearheaded a medical facility in Tuscaloosa for children with the same disease as his late son. His has an annual golf tournament in Tuscaloosa. He has numerous speaking engagement throughout the state of Alabama each year. He also appears on the Paul Finebaum Show every Friday during football season. Needless to say, he's still beloved in the state of Alabama.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 12:54 am to lsucoon
He will always be my favorite coach. And that's not a negative towards Coach Saban, I'm just a big fan of Coach Stallings.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:01 am to rolltide1283
I was really upset. The man just loves Alabama and always showed it. And I'm thinking wasn't Bockrath the AD at that time?
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:03 am to Riggs4Bama
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And I'm thinking wasn't Bockrath the AD at that time?
Yep. Stallings didn't want him (he left Texas Tech on probation and then promptly ran Alabama's football program into the ground). Sorensen backed bockrath and they hired him. Both Sorensen and Bockrath were terrible for UA.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 6:10 am to marshallcotiger
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Jonestownesque following
Maybe like that in Knoxville had Kifkinnitoid stayed?
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 6:17 am
Posted on 4/16/10 at 7:54 am to marshallcotiger
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Stallings for the most part but I've never seen anything like the Jonestownesque following that Saban has there.
To be fair Stallings was replacing a coach that was winning just not beating Auburn, Saban took a program in the muck for 10yrs and made them one of the best programs in cfb.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 8:54 am to secfan123
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And what coach does? Should Gene Chizik have been 'devoted' to Iowa State and stayed there when Auburn came calling? Should Derek Dooley have been 'devoted' to La Tech and stayed there when Tennessee came calling? Should Urban
Meyer have been 'devoted' to Utah and stayed there when Florida came calling? So why in the hell should Nick Saban have been turned down the Miami Dolphins? Hmmmmm? You know, its funny, I don't here Spurrier getting this kind of crap from Florida fans, and, unlike Saban and LSU, Spurrier and Florida had a deep connection.
Furthermore, what University shares that devotion to a coach? LSU clearly didn't have much devotion to Mac, Dinardo or Hallman. Auburn damn sure didn't have any for tubbs. What about Tennessee and Fulmer? Can't be more of a volunteer than Fulmer was and yet they threw him out on his arse. Texas A&M didn't have much devotion to Stallings. And no, I'm not forgetting Shula.
Just admit that the real reason for your contempt is not 'character' issues but that you're butthurt that the coach who took you to the promised land for the first time in damn near fifty years is now at another team whipping your butt.
Oh, and by the way Draconian, Saban's first contract with Alabama was worth less than his contract with Miami: 4.5 vs. 3.9 mil a year. The reason he came back wasnot that he is a 'mercenary' (whatever that means) but becuase he preferred the college game and the reason he came to Alabama is we had a vacancy and its easy to build a program here.
Draco. You've been pwned.... badly.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 9:05 am to lsucoon
I think Saban gets more love because he's the current coach, plus he represents the future more than the past at Alabama. As much as Bama fans love to brag about our past, we also realize (well, some of us do) that the past doesn't win games for you. I like the fact that Saban is an outsider that is building his own thing at Alabama.
Oh, and I always thought highly of Stallings. He may have only won most of his games 17-10, but he usually won them. And he did NOT lose to teams he wasn't supposed to (ULM, UCF, La Tech, NIU, etc).
I remember once during the Shula years me and my buds were walking back to the car after a game, when we saw a guy being pushed in a wheelchair, and I realized it was John Mark Stallings. I immediately started looking for Gene, who was a few feet behind him. I approached Coach Stallings and as I shook his hand I said "We miss you." and he smiled and replied "I miss y'all too". I always had the feeling that he didn't really want to leave Bama, but didn't have much choice. Cheesy story, I know.
I also heard him give a motivational speech a few years ago, and it was excellent.
Oh, and I always thought highly of Stallings. He may have only won most of his games 17-10, but he usually won them. And he did NOT lose to teams he wasn't supposed to (ULM, UCF, La Tech, NIU, etc).
I remember once during the Shula years me and my buds were walking back to the car after a game, when we saw a guy being pushed in a wheelchair, and I realized it was John Mark Stallings. I immediately started looking for Gene, who was a few feet behind him. I approached Coach Stallings and as I shook his hand I said "We miss you." and he smiled and replied "I miss y'all too". I always had the feeling that he didn't really want to leave Bama, but didn't have much choice. Cheesy story, I know.
I also heard him give a motivational speech a few years ago, and it was excellent.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 11:40 am to rolltide1283
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Stallings didn't want to retire but he didn't get along with the AD at the time so he went ahead and retired to spend more time with John Mark.
That's close to on the money. He was pretty much getting fed up with all the interference by the boosters and AD. Lots of input from a bunch of sources if you're the Alabama head coach :) And he and Ruth Ann did want to return home to spend more time with Johnny and family.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 11:45 am to ljhog
On another side note. Stallings talked to Saban about taking the Bama job, before he accepted it. He's stated on more than one occasion, that he recommended Saban take it when they talked. Saban is getting more love now, because he is the current coach. Stallings was/is and will always be respected and as a fanbase, appreciated for what he did here, as will Saban when he is gone.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 11:56 am to secfan123
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And what coach does?
Gene Stallings, Bear Bryant, Joe Paterno, Charles McClendon, Shug Jordan, Vince Dooley, Bob Neyland, Woody Hayes, Tom Osbourne and Bo Schembechler just off the top of my head.
There are dozens upon dozens more I'm sure.
I respect all of those men 1000 times more than Nick Saban. If you don't like it that's your problem.
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 11:57 am
Posted on 4/16/10 at 11:59 am to BamaInHsv
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Draco. You've been pwned.... badly
False. He agreed with me that Saban doesn't share that loyalty, he just argued that it doesn't matter. How exactly is that "pwned"?
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 4/16/10 at 12:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Gene Stallings, Bear Bryant, Joe Paterno, Charles McClendon, Shug Jordan, Vince Dooley, Bob Neyland, Woody Hayes, Tom Osbourne and Bo Schembechler just off the top of my head.
Oh come on, that's a completely different era of coaching. Yeah sure, Stallings and Osbourne coached in the 90's, and Paterno is still going, but they all come from a completely different time. You can't compare them to coaches now when talking about loyalty to a school
Posted on 4/16/10 at 12:06 pm to bamaboy87
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Oh come on, that's a completely different era of coaching. Yeah sure, Stallings and Osbourne coached in the 90's, and Paterno is still going, but they all come from a completely different time. You can't compare them to coaches now when talking about loyalty to a school
Sure I can. It's my opinion and I can do whatever the frick I want with it.
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 4/16/10 at 12:06 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Gene Stallings, Bear Bryant, Joe Paterno, Charles McClendon, Shug Jordan, Vince Dooley, Bob Neyland, Woody Hayes, Tom Osbourne and Bo Schembechler just off the top of my head.
There are dozens upon dozens more I'm sure.
The Almighty Pat Dye!
The GOAT.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 12:17 pm to secfan123
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Just admit that the real reason for your contempt is not 'character' issues but that you're butthurt that the coach who took you to the promised land for the first time in damn near fifty years is now at another team whipping your butt.
No, my contempt comes from the fact that he would come back to the SECW to compete against the school that gave him the opportunity to be the name that he is in this sport (he was nick saban when he came to LSU, but was NICK SABAN when he left) and make the kind of money that he makes (His deals with Miami and Alabama were both based on what he did at LSU).
That's a character issue. Whether or not you agree with that doesn't matter.
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