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paperwasp
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Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
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The showdown is now out in the open. What was hinted at as a possibility in the past is formally a conflict that could have reverberations in the future. Actually, it's worse than a conflict. The NCAA and the Power Five are officially adversaries.

That much was obvious Saturday night when CBS Sports confirmed a story Sports Illustrated first reported about the willingness of the Power Five to stage its own championships in fall sports (other than football) if the NCAA Board of Governors cancels them this week.

That board, comprised mostly of administrators and campus CEOs, is the NCAA's top governing body. The NCAA does not sponsor a championship for the 130 FBS teams. That is controlled by the 10 FBS conferences, ESPN and the College Football Playoff.

By cancelling those other fall championships, the board knows it would be painting the FBS into a corner. The optics would not be good if the championships in eight sports were canceled amid the COVID-19 pandemic yet big-time college football played on.

But by cancelling those championships, the board might set in motion an eventual breakaway from the NCAA by the Power Five -- the 65 total schools from the nation's largest most powerful conferences (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12, SEC) plus Notre Dame.

Simply put, those power conferences have thought for a while they could do it better than the NCAA. They've increasingly lost faith in the association.

And so, at this inflection point, it's not so much that the Power Five will break away to conduct its own championships. It's that it has reached the point where such a move is financially and systematically possible.

It may only be a matter of time. The Power Five has the money, leverage and -- as we now know -- willingness to break away. A group of schools that can't agree on much -- including scheduling, as we're seeing now -- have agreed to stare down the NCAA, at least on this issue.

Earlier this summer, CBS Sports detailed how that breakaway could occur amid the growing dissatisfaction between the NCAA and the Power Five conferences.

This week could mark the next, most significant step in that possible split. The board already passed on making a decision about staging the championships once, tabling a vote on July 24.

The next vote is Tuesday. The board has been lobbied hard by the Power Five to stand down.

"Lobbied" might be too soft a word.

The disillusionment between the two parties had been growing for a while. Then the pandemic hit.

The perception is NCAA president Mark Emmert has offered little leadership during these trying times. Whenever he opens his mouth lately, Emmert seems to antagonize either his own people or the Power Five "opposition."

"If I were Emmert, I'd really be worried about it. He's got to keep the Power Five together," one athletic director told SI.


paperwasp
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Critics of such a power play by the Power Five argue it would be a bad look, ostensibly taking over those fall championships in 2020 simply to justify the playing the college football season. The pressure is mounting due to the pandemic. That's hard to argue against. Dozens of schools in lower divisions have canceled the season and/or postponed until 2021.

But the conferences have their own health experts. They already have the power to cancel the season on their own if the coronavirus spreads.

There is a basic distrust among key stakeholders in the Power Five who believe the NCAA just can't handle this situation. At the time, there wasn't total agreement among the conferences that the NCAA should have canceled all spring championships in March.

Sources confirmed to CBS Sports that the Power Five conferences have the financing necessary to stage those championships on their own. The NCAA?

It may not be able to afford them, especially after the fiasco from March. No doubt, the NCAA did the right thing by cancelling its Division I basketball tournament in the face of the pandemic. However, the association may have been woefully unprepared financially when the tournament was called off, according to the Washington Post.

That revenue shortfall alone caused a budgetary tsunami across college sports. The Power Five are best prepared to survive it.

All of this is the latest result of the 1984 Supreme Court decision that allowed schools control of football television rights. That day 36 years ago, the NCAA's iron grip on college sports began to slip. The eventual windfall in revenue led to an explosion in TV media rights, fueled conference realignment and created the facilities arms race.

The schools control the product. It's getting harder for the NCAA to control the schools.

The biggest reason for playing college football this season might be to preserve a portion of that revenue.

If there is a high ground to be gained here, there will be a slippery slope to get there for either side.

Georgia says it has an athletic reserve fund of $100 million. That's a rarity. Some schools may take out loans to make ends meet -- not unlike buying a house. A 30-year loan for $100 million would be backed up by the university itself.

Power Five life goes on. Everybody else is on their own. If that means a super division of those financially elite schools, so be it.

One critic recently called the NCAA the world's largest party planner because, aside from its gala basketball tournament, the perception in some circles is that it does little else that serves the Power Five.

The enforcement division has come under withering criticism. The Power Five and NCAA seem to be on separate tracks regarding name, image and likeness rights for athletes.

Think about these optics possibly emerging out of Tuesday: The NCAA was ambushed by COVID-19 and couldn't stage its biggest event, the Division I basketball tournament. However, five conferences were able to put on those other fall championships.

If COVID-19 sticks around long enough to affect a second straight basketball tournament, the question would have to be asked: What does the NCAA actually do?

SI's story revealed how the pandemic has turned a large part of the membership against the NCAA. At least the part that matters.

You can see the Power Five's, well, power in the return to college football. They have fallen back on their greatest resource -- themselves.

That doesn't make it easy to watch. The minimum testing guidelines provided by the NCAA may be noble but are perhaps not nearly enough.

Scheduling highlighted once again how fractured the big conferences are in achieving a common goal. Four of the five conferences (SEC, ACC, Pac-12, Big Ten) have implemented slightly different scheduling philosophies with the season starting at different times. The Big 12 is to decide its schedule format on Monday.

Those shortened schedules reduce travel during the pandemic but have also consolidated power. In eliminating several Group of Five opponents, the Power Five has denied those schools millions in game contracts. The MAC alone had 13 games against Big Ten opponents canceled. The losses in game guarantees from those Big Ten schools totaled more than $17 million.

That added to a gap between the Power Five and Group of Five (American, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt) that has never been wider. And it's more obvious than ever.

The NCAA board has options Tuesday. It could do nothing. It could delay a vote. It could separate Division II and Division III, canceling those championships while allowing Division I fall sports to proceed.

The NCAA must choose wisely. Its choice may determine its stability.

Power Five, NCAA are now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time


Leto II
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re: Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
Good. It's about time!


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Henry Jones Jr
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Of course the other P5 schools go against them after they hammer us


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Allyn McKeen
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re: Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
I think the NCAA is looking for a way that they don't have to deal with the Pac-12. "We don't care what you do as long as you take the Pac-12 with you. Care to take some other California public schools while you are at it?"


LSURulzSEC
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re: Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
This needs to happen...if the P5 votes to break away the NCAA will bend the knee...


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PeeJayScammedGT
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re: Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
Can't believe that article

It must be fiction

Because every time I have written how much Money & Power that the P5 possesses, every other poster on this msg board has told me how "powerless" the P5 is wrt to doing things differently and treating the Revenue Athletes better and those posters have also told me how poor the P5 is and how they barely break even and are barely able to scratch out a Financial existence

Now just days later, we get an article claiming that the P5 has the Money & Power to take on the NCAA and win hands down

To summarize, when the time comes to pay Revenue Athletes larger stipends, the P5 is powerless and too poor to change anything, but when the time comes to break away from the NCAA and force the NCAA to bend to their will they have plenty of Power & Money to do whatever they want to

All this time I was thinking, "I'm crazy" and then wham just a couple of days later comes my validation in the form of this Article

To all those that have spent the past few days "serial down-voting" everything I post, no need to grovel and apologize, just bow down and show fealty in the future


OverseasBengal
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re: Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
At some point you need to realize all the downvotes are because of you. Your lack of self awareness is pretty apparent


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LSURulzSEC
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re: Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
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I think the NCAA is looking for a way that they don't have to deal with the Pac-12. "We don't care what you do as long as you take the Pac-12 with you. Care to take some other California public schools while you are at it?"


the Big 12 should invite the PAC schools Oregon, Colorado, Utah, Washington, Washington St and add Boise St and become the P4 and break away from the NCAA...frick them California schools...


RT1941
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PeeJayScammedGT

A fricking yella jacket lives here.


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ALA2262
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re: Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
P5 would be as inept as the NCAA. Hell, they couldn't even get together and come up with ONE DAMN SCHEDULE PLAN for the 2020 CFB season. Which is what should have been done when the NCAA didn't. It's not as if either didn't have enough damn time!


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CGSC Lobotomy
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re: Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
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the Big 12 should invite the PAC schools Oregon, Colorado, Utah, Washington, Washington St and add Boise St


Colorado will not go back to the Big 12.

There has only been ONE instance in which a team left a conference then returned to that same conference and that was Temple, who was kicked out of the Big East then allowed to return.

No school that voluntarily left a conference has ever returned to that conference.
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TheCheshireHog
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re: Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
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No school that voluntarily left a conference has ever returned to that conference.


No school that has voluntarily left Texas is going back to Texas voluntarily.
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CGSC Lobotomy
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No school that has voluntarily left Texas is going back to Texas voluntarily.


Not the only instance though.

Teams that left the SEC: Georgia Tech (ACC), Sewanee (ended football), Tulane (Conference USA)

Teams that left the ACC: South Carolina (SEC), Maryland (Big Ten)

Teams that left the SWC: Arkansas (SEC)

Teams that left the Big 12: Colorado (PAC 12), Missouri (SEC), Nebraska (Big Ten), Texas A&M (SEC)


TheCheshireHog
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re: Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
Yeah I was more referring to the 5 of us that left the SWC/Big 12 all left for essentially the same reason and none of us are going back. The other schools on their left for a variety of different reasons.


RollTide1987
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re: Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
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Sewanee (ended football)


Sewanee still plays football. They're a Division III school now.



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RD Dawg
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re: Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
Who cares? This has nothing to do with CFB and who cares about "administrating" non revenue fall sports?

Sounds like a big pain in the arse not worth anyone's time.


Bigbee Hills
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re: Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
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PeeJayScammedGT
You are aware of the fact that, across the entire spectrum of life, if you're staring at yourself in the mirror every morning and repeatedly insisting to yourself that, "it's everybody else who's the problem, everybody else who is in the wrong" that you can be certain it's a lie, right?

When that happens, especially when it happens serially like with you, you can know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the delusional, dysfunctional narcissist is the man in the mirror who's denying it. You know that, right?

Also, unfortunately, I surmise a whisper's worth of mental retardation on your part, which means recovery is unlikely.

Congrats on the GT logo though.


GatorOnAnIsland
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re: Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
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Yeah I was more referring to the 5 of us that left the SWC/Big 12


I remember when Arkansas was a National Brand and had respect. When did that end?


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bamawriter
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re: Dodd: P5, NCAA now officially adversaries, and a breakaway may only be a matter of time
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No school that voluntarily left a conference has ever returned to that conference.


UConn just did it. They officially rejoined the Big East on July 1st.


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