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re: Delany: If you don't win your division, you can't win it all...
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:48 pm to geauxjo
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:48 pm to geauxjo
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but they shouldn't represent their conf in the BCS if they didn't even win their division
The BCS CG isn't about repping conferences. It's about the 2 best teams playing to crown a NC.
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:48 pm to Alahunter
Excuse me if I am wrong, but isnt when every other conference jump on board to make a playoff system, was when everyone realized it was going to be bama vs lsu in ncg?
Yes, the sec would probably have two teams in the playoffs every year which would be awesome. But we aren't trying to make the playoffs based on what is best for the sec, but the whole country in general.
i think the whole argument comes down to is what is more important, who is the more talented team or who is the most deserving. In my mind it is conference champions.
but i also did not have a problem with the old system.
Yes, the sec would probably have two teams in the playoffs every year which would be awesome. But we aren't trying to make the playoffs based on what is best for the sec, but the whole country in general.
i think the whole argument comes down to is what is more important, who is the more talented team or who is the most deserving. In my mind it is conference champions.
but i also did not have a problem with the old system.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:50 pm to Indfanfromcol
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But we aren't trying to make the playoffs based on what is best for the sec, but the whole country in general
No, everyone is trying to keep SEC teams to one team. If you want an NFL conference champion format, then watch the NFL. I hate the idea. I hate a 6 loss team won the Super Bowl. To me, that devalues the season and doesn't crown a true champion, more than the 2 best teams being matched up.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:53 pm to Alahunter
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The BCS CG isn't about repping conferences. It's about the 2 best teams playing to crown a NC.
Exactly... It shouldn't be a reward that entitles you to get to play a pansy.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:55 pm to JPLSU1981
I agree, plus if you don't win your conference you don't play. 
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:57 pm to little joe
Then why did Les Miles (and most other voters) vote Bama #2 following all the conference championship games?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:57 pm to Alahunter
No, everyone is trying to keep SEC teams to one team. If you want an NFL conference champion format, then watch the NFL. I hate the idea. I hate a 6 loss team won the Super Bowl. To me, that devalues the season and doesn't crown a true champion, more than the 2 best teams being matched up.
Do overs will no longer count. Win your division and conference and you move on. If you don't, see you in the chicken bowl.
Do overs will no longer count. Win your division and conference and you move on. If you don't, see you in the chicken bowl.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:58 pm to Indfanfromcol
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In my mind it is conference champions.
I think that based on current conference setup, it's the conference champion in the SEC, but not necessarily for the conference champion in other conferences. If conferences are allowed to set up their own individual rules for who's admitted, how a champion is decided, and what teams their members play, it's completely unfair to make a conference champion a requirement.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:01 pm to Indfanfromcol
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More often than not though, the national championship has been between two teams that have won the conference. You are talking about the 4 best teams, which could hold up to three sec teams. I know this is unlikely, but do two teams have have already lost deserve a second chance in the playoffs?
Along those same lines, does a 4 loss team that lost 2 of its non-conference games and 2 conference games but won its conference deserve to play for a national champion? It could theoretically happen under Delaney's plan.
Having said that, if Delaney's plan doesn't limit non division winners or non conference winners from a playoff unless a top 6 team that won its conference is available then I can certainly live with that. If teams that didn't win their division are excluded, then the exemption for a non conference winner being ahead of a conference winner not in the top 6 may as well not be a part of it because that will cancel out that team in 99% of all cases.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:03 pm to Govt Tide
I don't see why this proposal is a problem. Win your conference, have a shot. Don't win your conference, try again next year
And yes, Bama was the best team in 2011, but they lost in conference
And yes, Bama was the best team in 2011, but they lost in conference
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:04 pm to Buckeye06
So then what's the point of a championship if the best team didn't win? You aren't better than everyone. It changes the entire game.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:04 pm to little joe
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Do overs will no longer count. Win your division and conference and you move on. If you don't, see you in the chicken bowl
Not necessarily. If Delaney's system had been in place last year, then LSU would've played Oregon (again) in the 1st round of the playoffs
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:41 pm to Indfanfromcol
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Indfanfromcol
Delany: If you don't win your division, you can't win it all...
But we aren't trying to make the playoffs based on what is best for the sec, but the whole country in general.
What we're trying to do is to determine the best team in college football, and including a #6 team at the expense of omitting a #3, 2, or maybe even 1 team doesn't do that.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:43 pm to Buckeye06
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Buckeye06
Delany: If you don't win your division, you can't win it all...
I don't see why this proposal is a problem. Win your conference, have a shot. Don't win your conference, try again next year
And yes, Bama was the best team in 2011, but they lost in conference
So the St. Louis Cardinals should have just stayed home then. OK.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:49 pm to BamaGradinTn
Here's another thing: Delaney wants to talk about the possibility of "wild cards", but under his plan, all participants, including any conference champions, are "wild cards" because they have to rely on voters and computers to put them in the postseason. If the playoff was going to be made up of EVERY conference champion, then there might be a case to include ONLY conference champions...it would be completely objective. But by holding on to voters and computers to decide which participants get in the playoffs, it's foolish to say that the champion of an inferior conference should get in over a non-champion in superior conference.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:55 pm to Alahunter
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The BCS CG isn't about repping conferences. It's about the 2 best teams playing to crown a NC.
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I agree with this!!!
I guess Delaney hopes to circumvent having to play the SEC to win a title???
The BCS CG isn't about repping conferences. It's about the 2 best teams playing to crown a NC.
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I agree with this!!!
I guess Delaney hopes to circumvent having to play the SEC to win a title???
Posted on 5/10/12 at 3:03 pm to fan251
It is just plain stupid to even make a consideration to this request. No one in the Big 10/12 (or whatever) can defeat the SEC champion!!! PERIOD!!! Playoff or no playoff.
I don't see how any of this makes the system fair? Someone is still going to be left out, regardless. And unless you completely do away with the computers/fan votes, then even with a playoff we will still be nursing the same BCS crap!
I don't see how any of this makes the system fair? Someone is still going to be left out, regardless. And unless you completely do away with the computers/fan votes, then even with a playoff we will still be nursing the same BCS crap!
Posted on 5/10/12 at 3:17 pm to fan251
I'm sitting here arguing with a co-worker (who is an Ohio State fan by the way), and he believes Delaney's proposal is more geared towards making teams more accountable for every game, regardless if they are the best team or not. Goes on to say that teams should not be judged on whether they lost early or lost late; or whether they lost in regulation or overtime. At the end of the day, a loss is a loss and teams should not be rewarded for them.
I disagree with him b/c LSU would not have won in '07 if that was the case, but I wanted to share with the rant.
I disagree with him b/c LSU would not have won in '07 if that was the case, but I wanted to share with the rant.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 3:28 pm to fan251
As a LSU fan I have more sence than to say CC only. Because as sure as that passes we will be in the spot that bama was in this year and we will be in the Peach Bowl instead of the playoff. If you don't have the top 4 teams after the CC then you don't have a true champion, you have a pretender. Play the top 4 or stfu.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 3:42 pm to BamaGradinTn
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So the St. Louis Cardinals should have just stayed home then. OK.
When CFB turns into MLB get back to me.
You can make the argument VCU was one of the best 4 teams in CBB last year since they made the final 4....here's a hint for you...they weren't
And I was against a rematch in 2006
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