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re: Dawg fans, how y’all feeling?

Posted on 12/28/24 at 8:02 pm to
Posted by prouddawg
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Posted on 12/28/24 at 8:02 pm to

Posted by zdfger
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Posted on 12/28/24 at 8:05 pm to
Wasn’t trying to be. Just answered your question
Posted by DawginSC
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Posted on 12/28/24 at 8:24 pm to
While UGA can lose to anyone if the urge hits them, I feel like we should come out ahead.

ND's QB is a minus passer. They have a good running game, but I've yet to see a one dimensional offense have success against a UGA defense (or a Bama defense when he was there).

I think ND was one of the most one dimensional teams in the playoff. And I think that works for UGA.

PSU is also one dimensional. So is Texas to a degree (though their running game is improving now so maybe now if they play UGA again). Tennessee was one dimensional as well.

While I recognize there's no such thing as a sure win, I think UGA is in good shape.
Posted by DawginSC
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Posted on 12/28/24 at 8:29 pm to
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They have enough film on Stockton. Not an issue. Nd DC coordinator is one of the best. Whether they can stop him is another question


How do you figure they have tape?

UGA has never created a gameplan with Stockton as the starter. The only tape they have is Stockton running the Carson Beck offense... either in blowouts or in the SECCG for a half.

UGA isn't one of those teams that runs a set offensive plan and finds players to fit the plan. (Like Tennessee does with the "Heupel offense") They craft the offense to their talent each year and change it when injuries happen.

Bobo isn't as good at that as Monken was, but he coaches the same way.
Posted by zdfger
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Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:05 pm to
I see that you are referring to Riley as a minus passer vs bad College QB. Congrats you learned something! Google dual threat and QBR rating and maybe you’ll learn a little more I said they have tape on him which they obviously do. That’s all I said. If UGA changes the offensive scheme then obviously ND would have to adjust . Their DC is no slouch. Google him too.Whether Bobo can do that effectively w 3 weeks prep time will tell. Give the ND defense a little credit. I think they earned that this year. I’m spending way too much time defending ND here but a lot of y’all are underestimating them IMO. Hopefully Georgia has your back
Posted by SemperFiDawg
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Posted on 12/28/24 at 9:32 pm to
Feel a lot better about our chances against ND than I did with Texas. In short I don't see them competing as well as you did, especially in the SECCG.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:25 pm to
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I see that you are referring to Riley as a minus passer vs bad College QB. Congrats you learned something! Google dual threat and QBR rating and maybe you’ll learn a little more I said they have tape on him which they obviously do. That’s all I said. If UGA changes the offensive scheme then obviously ND would have to adjust . Their DC is no slouch. Google him too.Whether Bobo can do that effectively w 3 weeks prep time will tell. Give the ND defense a little credit. I think they earned that this year. I’m spending way too much time defending ND here but a lot of y’all are underestimating them IMO. Hopefully Georgia has your back


He's not a good college QB.

The key part of being a dual threat QB is you actually have to be able to pass AND run. If you can only run, you're an option QB.

He can't pass well. He's not a dual threat. He's a single threat, just with his legs.

It's clear you're not particularly familiar with what UGA does on offense. The best definition that people use now for UGA's offense is "multiple". What that means in UGA's case is we don't have a predominant formation we run out of. We go zone blocking RPO attacks in some games and pro-style hat on hat blocking schemes in others. Some weeks it's shotgun with downfield passing others it's mostly 12 formation. Sometimes we use almost all of the clock, others we rush to the line.

UGA tailors their offense to each opponent. They don't run a set scheme. There are some things that are consistent (like the way we use motions and the consistent use of option run calls even when Beck rarely kept the ball).

UGA isn't great at anything offensively. They try to be more like the Patriots were when Brady was there... a team that is good enough at most aspects so they can tailor their offense to whatever defense they face.

They don't run a system that can be figured out, but rather they're trying to figure out your weaknesses. They might fail at it and be at a disadvantage, but each week... each meeting between teams... is a unique contest.

Notre Dame has a very good defense and a good running game. They have zero threat in the passing game.

That's similar to Tennessee in the SEC. It's not a set up that works against UGA. You cannot be one dimensional against UGA and have any chance of winning outside of UGA just having a melt down.

UGA's defensive scheme is going to be to spy the QB and scheme to stop the run. Dare Leonard to beat them through the air. And these aren't going to be poor DB's who he's going to have to beat... these are guys like 5-star and future 1st round draft pick Malaki Starks, 5-star Daylen Everette, 5-star KJ Bolden, 4-star Daniel Harris, 5-star Ellis Robinson, 5-star Joenel Augero, 5-star Jacorey Thomas and a slew of other 4-stars in the secondary... along with 11th year senior former walk-on Dan Jackson who just hangs around and makes plays for UGA forever.


Posted by HunterDawg
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Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:32 pm to
Look for a very fast-paced offense with wrinkles we haven't seen. Time to gamble with our backs against the wall.
Posted by CalDawg
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 8:23 am to
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Dawg fans, how y’all feeling?




Posted by zdfger
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 9:43 am to
You’re always so quick to put up stats all the time. Surprised you didn’t put Georgia’s defensive stats against the pass? Curious. It might help support your argument. As far as Leonard, the best stat I could find to judge a dual threat QB would be QBR. QBR is generally considered a more comprehensive metric than passer rating because it takes into account a wider range of factors beyond just passing statistics, including rushing attempts, situational context, and the impact of each play on win probability etc., making it potentially a better indicator of a quarterback's overall contribution to a game. Leonard’s QBR is 78.1. To provide context Beck’s is 80.9 which ranks him 10 out of 129. Leonard is 16 out of 129. Sounds at least average to me.
Posted by theRealJesseD
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 9:46 am to
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zdfger



You seem very invested in this. Are you a B1G simp or LSU fan?
Posted by bamabaseballsec
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 9:58 am to
Having good TEs is a game changer. They’re essentially dual threat lineman lol the nfl loves TE position, ever notice how good TE are usually on good nfl teams. My only guess to why colleges don’t utilize it more is learning curve or lack of quality tight ends
Posted by zdfger
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:03 am to
You would think right?
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:27 am to
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As far as Leonard, the best stat I could find to judge a dual threat QB would be QBR. QBR is generally considered a more comprehensive metric than passer rating because it takes into account a wider range of factors beyond just passing statistics, including rushing attempts, situational context, and the impact of each play on win probability etc., making it potentially a better indicator of a quarterback's overall contribution to a game. Leonard’s QBR is 78.1. To provide context Beck’s is 80.9 which ranks him 10 out of 129. Leonard is 16 out of 129. Sounds at least average to me.


First of all, QBR is a stat invented by ESPN 2-3 years ago. It's not a great stat as it puts way too much weight on the running side.


But for kicks... let's look at QB to try to answer the question... "Can Leonard pass well'?

QBR has both a run score and a pass score.

Leonard's pass score in QBR is 38.5. How does that compare to other QB's?

The answer is... it sucks. Marcel Reed can't pass either... he's at 35. Nico, who's only adequate passing, is ahead at a 46.

Here are the playoff QB's ranked by the passing part of their QBR

Gabriel - 83.7
Rourke - 74.7
Howard - 72.1
Klubnik - 64.8
Allar - 55.5
Madsen - 54.8
Leavitt - 50.7
Ewers - 50.6
Jennings - 49.9
Nico - 46.7

Leonard - 38.5

The stat you point out literally shows he's the worst passing QB in the playoff.
Posted by ArchForever
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:42 am to
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Sure, but the question is, where is his head? Having your QB make his first start in a playoff game against ND is a tall ask. To not be extremely worried about that fact is pure hubris. So many questions.


I think his head is still at the 2 yard line at MBS!
Posted by 6columns
Member since Jun 2024
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 11:14 am to
I know many UGA fans are still upbeat despite losing Carson Beck, but this is the thing you still have to remember. You still have all those same receivers who have been dropping balls all season. That's a major reason that Carson wasn't as good this year.
Posted by HTX Horn
Houston
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 1:10 pm to
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ND's QB is a minus passer. They have a good running game, but I've yet to see a one dimensional offense have success against a UGA defense (or a Bama defense when he was there). I think ND was one of the most one dimensional teams in the playoff. And I think that works for UGA.

Agree w this and is why I think Dawgs come out on top.
Posted by HTX Horn
Houston
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 1:16 pm to
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My only guess to why colleges don’t utilize it more is learning curve or lack of quality tight ends

Funny you say this, was thinking exactly the same thing. Particularly in our game in SECCG. Horns have a stud TE and I think he caught one pass in that game. Just wasn’t utilized and made no sense to me. But I see this all the time in college ball. A good TE can be a QBs best friend.
Posted by HTX Horn
Houston
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 1:20 pm to
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I know many UGA fans are still upbeat despite losing Carson Beck, but this is the thing you still have to remember. You still have all those same receivers who have been dropping balls all season

Probably biggest chink in the armor for Dawgs and the thing Kirby can’t control. But again I do think that Kirby after 3 weeks of practices will have a great scheme drawn up for Gunner.
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 1:20 pm to
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He's not a good college QB.

The key part of being a dual threat QB is you actually have to be able to pass AND run. If you can only run, you're an option QB.

He can't pass well. He's not a dual threat. He's a single threat, just with his legs.


This is what kills me about people comparing the way GT's King gashed us and believing Riley can do the same.

King was throwing dimes all over the field in that game against UGA...like some NFL level shite. Dude literally had the game of his life. His legs hurt us the most but when he needed to make a pass he was getting the ball to his spots on time and with great accuracy. I don't think Riley has that in him.
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