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Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:49 am to JacieNY
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Clinging to a 1-point lead Oregon seemingly deliberately drew a flag with 12 men on the field thus using up precious seconds Ohio State needed to get into field goal range.
Ethical or exploiting a loophole in the rules?
Should this be addressed in the offseason?
To be clear, I am no fan of Ohio State but I absolutely hate Oregon and it pains me to see a former Sooner leading them to anything let alone a top ranking.
I don't see how what they did actually helped. Having an extra defender could help, but from what I read(didn't see the play), the extra defender stepped on the field at the last moment.
It was an incomplete pass, so all they did was give Ohio St a free play. If they complete the pass, then what has changed?
It wasn't a dead ball foul that took seconds off the clock or anything, the only time removed was what happened during the play.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:50 am to JacieNY
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Clinging to a 1-point lead Oregon seemingly deliberately drew a flag with 12 men on the field thus using up precious seconds Ohio State needed to get into field goal range.
Only common sense fix is to give the offense the option to reset the clock on defensive penalties in the last 2 minutes.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:52 am to 3down10
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I don't see how what they did actually helped. Having an extra defender could help, but from what I read(didn't see the play), the extra defender stepped on the field at the last moment.
It was an incomplete pass, so all they did was give Ohio St a free play. If they complete the pass, then what has changed?
Three WR bunch on the Oregon sideline so Oregon brought the 12th defender in. Will Rogers chose not to even look that way.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:54 am to 3down10
the hope is that you'll take the 5 yard penalty to have an extra defender cover the 3 WR bunch on the Oregon sideline and avoid a play that puts them in FG range, leaving time for only 1 play remaining. Worked.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:55 am to JacieNY
he sacrificed 5 yards for 4 seconds. That was a heck of a trade in that circumstance.
I think this is different than faking injuries, and I feel like this was a great coaching move.
Easily fixed if there is enough noise in saying a loophole needs to be closed. This is in the same vein as the QB who used a fake slide to gain extra yards (think it was a TD?). That was quickly fixed the next year.
I think this is different than faking injuries, and I feel like this was a great coaching move.
Easily fixed if there is enough noise in saying a loophole needs to be closed. This is in the same vein as the QB who used a fake slide to gain extra yards (think it was a TD?). That was quickly fixed the next year.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:59 am to JacieNY
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Ethical or exploiting a loophole in the rules?
Exploiting a loophole. He didn't create something that hurt any player. This is someone understand the opportunity cost of leaving too much time on the board for tOSU.
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Should this be addressed in the offseason?
Probably but could be hard to enforce if said event is intentional or not. Much like the Kiffin injury bug.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 10:07 am to RogerTempleton
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the hope is that you'll take the 5 yard penalty to have an extra defender cover the 3 WR bunch on the Oregon sideline and avoid a play that puts them in FG range, leaving time for only 1 play remaining. Worked.
I guess you can assume it worked and wouldn't have been the same result either way.
Rule should be changed.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 10:11 am to JacieNY
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Clinging to a 1-point lead Oregon seemingly deliberately drew a flag with 12 men on the field thus using up precious seconds Ohio State needed to get into field goal range. Ethical or exploiting a loophole in the rules? Should this be addressed in the offseason?
Never seen that done in football. Basketball does this all the time when the opponent is not in the bonus or fouls to prevent a made 3 pt FG.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 10:11 am to JacieNY
Lanning is a sharp guy nothing wrong with what he did.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 10:32 am to ronricks
It's just good coaching. When someone starts fouling in basketball, no one says shite. This is the exact same thing.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 11:42 am to JacieNY
I could see Lanning coming to the SEC
Posted on 10/15/24 at 11:44 am to lsujag
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Didn’t watch but any defensive penalty stops the clock in final 2 minutes. Don’t know how that helps Oregon
Explain
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 10/15/24 at 11:48 am to 3down10
Yeah it seems like you actually need the extra men on the field to be doing something to benefit from this.
Imagine next week they just put a bunch of extra guys in the endzone. Call it Cover 40
Imagine next week they just put a bunch of extra guys in the endzone. Call it Cover 40
Posted on 10/15/24 at 11:52 am to OKBoomerSooner
In practical sense if the 12th man helps to actually prevent the big play then it was a successful loophole play.
If the 12th man did no more than what 11 could accomplish then it wasn't successful at all. All it did was allow for a free play for the offense.
If the 12th man did no more than what 11 could accomplish then it wasn't successful at all. All it did was allow for a free play for the offense.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 11:56 am to OKBoomerSooner
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Yeah it seems like you actually need the extra men on the field to be doing something to benefit from this.
Imagine next week they just put a bunch of extra guys in the endzone. Call it Cover 40
The article I read this morning made it sound like he came onto the field at the last second. But the video of the play showed he got there in a few seconds and defended. So they got some benefit from it.
If an offense is smart, what you do is count the players, spike the ball, lose 1 second and gain 5 yards.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 11:57 am to jangalang
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In practical sense if the 12th man helps to actually prevent the big play then it was a successful loophole play.
If the 12th man did no more than what 11 could accomplish then it wasn't successful at all. All it did was allow for a free play for the offense.
If you can't stop them with 12, you aren't going to stop them with 11..
and you can't take the penalty yards and the result of the play..
and the penalty yards aren't going to put you in field goal range..
I don't really see any risk in putting the 12th guy out there..
Adding a 13th guy borders on unsportsmanlike conduct.. which would draw a 15 yard penalty.. so adding a 12th guy is a great play imo..
This is good coaching.
This post was edited on 10/15/24 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 10/15/24 at 12:03 pm to GetmorewithLes
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Never seen that done in football. Basketball does this all the time when the opponent is not in the bonus or fouls to prevent a made 3 pt FG.
Yeah, it worked for Oregon very similarly to the basketball strategy of having fouls to give and fouling in the backcourt to run the clock down.
I had to watch the replay to see that the extra defender running onto the field seemed to make the Ohio St QB choose the exact throw to the single wideout on the other side of the field Oregon wanted.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 12:04 pm to BigBro
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I don't really see any risk in putting the 12th guy out there..
I agree, so the NCAA will can this strategy pretty quickly.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 12:15 pm to jangalang
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I agree, so the NCAA will can this strategy pretty quickly.
There is a simple fix imo.
In the last 2 minutes of each half, when there is a penalty for 12 men on the field, the clock is adjusted back to the time before the play started.
And perhaps that should be true for all defensive penalties..
This post was edited on 10/15/24 at 12:17 pm
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