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re: Dabo on fumble out of end zone call: Kid should have held on to the ball

Posted on 9/9/18 at 12:54 pm to
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 12:54 pm to
The ball was almost out of bounds when he dropped it and it landed pretty far from the OOB line. The math doesn’t work for it to have gone through the end zone. Should have been an easy call.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/9/18 at 12:54 pm to
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He's totally right, but that doesn't make the rule any less stupid.

That rule has never seemed logical to me. If someone fumbles and it goes out of bounds that team maintains possession. Similarly, if a player fumbles the ball into the scoring endzone and it goes out of bounds on the side or back of the end zone, that team should maintain possession and the ball should simply be spotted at point the fumble occurred. If the defense did not recover the fumble, why should their team be given possession? And why should they get it 20 yards upfield? That rule doesn't make sense, imo.
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 1:13 pm
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 12:57 pm to
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The ball was almost out of bounds when he dropped it and it landed pretty far from the OOB line. The math doesn’t work for it to have gone through the end zone.
What?
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 1:00 pm to
Read it slowly and try to visualize it. Don’t worry, you’ll get it eventually.
Posted by Othello
the Neptonian Steel Mines
Member since Aug 2013
22925 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 1:05 pm to
frick Yabo Dabo dumbass!

If the Clemson receivers weren't allowed two big pushoffs, then Aggie damn well would have won.
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 4:57 pm
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 1:07 pm to
This is how the math shows that it's possible based on what you said. Similar triangles. If you can get the correct distances/angles, you can easily calculate where it went out of bounds.



This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 1:12 pm
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 1:10 pm to
Bless your heart...
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 1:12 pm to
Did you not take algebra?
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145150 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 1:13 pm to
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If you can get the correct distances/angles, you can easily calculate where it went out of bounds.
lets get our best men on this
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 1:15 pm to
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That rule has never seemed logical to me. If someone fumbles and it goes out of bounds that team maintains possession. Similarly, if a player fumbles the ball into the scoring endzone and it goes out of bounds on the side or back of the end zone, that team should maintain possession and the ball should simply be spotted at point the fumble occurred. If the defense did not recover the fumble, why in the hell should their team be given possession? And why in the hell should they get it 20 yards upfield? That rule doesn't make sense, imo.


The part that doesn’t make sense is that you can’t advance the ball on a fumble that goes out of bounds. It goes back to where the ball is fumbled.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 1:18 pm to
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lets get our best men on this
All you should need is the angle from which the ball left his hand, how far from the goalline the ball was when it left his hand, how far from the sideline the ball was when it left his hand, and how from from the sideline the ball was when it landed.
Posted by tigeroarz1
Winston-Salem, NC
Member since Oct 2013
3374 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 1:20 pm to
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The ball was almost out of bounds when he dropped it and it landed pretty far from the OOB line. The math doesn’t work for it to have gone through the end zone. Should have been an easy call.
If you watch the pylon cam the defender punches down on the ball and it come loose when the WR is 3’ from the sideline (he’s outside the yard markers on green grass). The ball actually has a forward spiral for awhile as it approaches the pylon and then turns. It’s not as obvious as some have made it out to be and was too close to call.
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 1:23 pm
Posted by BamaRoo
Shitlingthorpe, UK
Member since Jul 2009
3370 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 1:34 pm to
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The ball actually has a forward spiral for awhile as it approaches the pylon and then turns

LOL ! We see what we want to see. Nah, bad call.
Posted by tigeroarz1
Winston-Salem, NC
Member since Oct 2013
3374 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 1:44 pm to
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LOL ! We see what we want to see. Nah, bad call.
Haha, I was watching it really really really slow. The ball wasn’t as graceful in real time. He wasn’t tight roping the sideline so there was room for it to be just in though.
Posted by ClemsonRules
Virginia
Member since Jan 2017
2608 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 1:46 pm to
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Except that, if A&M would have scored then. And then stopped Clemson’s next possession, which they did. Their last score, FG or TD would have won the game.


What a fool statement. If aTm has tied the game, Clemson would have come out more aggressive on offense in the last minute to win it. Clemson went turtle on offense that last quarter of the game to protect a lead.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145150 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 1:49 pm to
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It’s not as obvious as some have made it out to be
it was pretty obvious dude

thats just something they would never overturn
Posted by AgsNguyening
USA
Member since Jul 2014
2798 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 1:53 pm to
He’s right but he doesn’t answer the question of the call because he knows how critical it was to the outcome of the game. I don’t blame him either.

Bottom line is though that the correct call on the field should have been that the call was out of bounds and then let the guys upstairs decide to overrule it or not.
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9418 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 2:05 pm to
My favorite part of this whole thing is the people saying the rule is stupid. If the offense fumbles the ball out of the back of their own endzone should they get it back at the 1? Hello no. The rule is fine, you cannot fumble it through the endzone. Either one. If the ball goes out of bounds in the endzone after a fumble is played as of the defense recovered the ball. Should I be able to fumble the ball from the 5 out of the endzone and get it at the 1?

The issue is that there needs to be enough cameras to get the calls right. There should be 2 going town either side of the goal line and the same on each sideline.
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 2:43 pm
Posted by PEPE
Member since Jun 2018
8198 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 2:05 pm to
It's true. The guy extending the ball like that at the freaking 3 yard line was stupid as hell.

It woulda been first and goal, why are players so reckless to extend the ball like that around the goal line.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
19943 posts
Posted on 9/9/18 at 2:07 pm to
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If the offense fumbles the ball out of the back of their own endzone should they get it back at the 1? Hello no.

Actually, what IS the rule in that case? Safety?
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