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re: Current SEC RPI

Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:32 am to
Posted by bona fide
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Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:32 am to
RPI is the devil
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9460 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:33 am to
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RPI is all about playing a lot of solid RPI teams, not necessarily just a few games against top rated teams. Of our 11 games 8 were against top 100 RPI teams. Just taking a quick look at Florida's schedule, it looks like they've played two really good teams, a solid team in A&M, and then not much else. Our OOC SOS is 14; Florida's is 172.

I hate the RPI fwiw. But it's just a game, you have to manipulate the schedule. Not that it will really matter to Florida (except for seeding), they're a lock and their RPI should be pretty good at the end of the year.


This is true. People dogged Alabama's pre-conference schedule last year but it was like Florida's this year in that we played a couple of very good teams but even some of the big name teams on the schedule were awful and therefore our pre-conference SOS and RPI last year was awful.

Here's the Pomeroy power rankings which are respected a make a bit more sense:

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#2 Kentucky
#9 Florida
#27 Alabama
#50 Mississippi State
#51 Vanderbilt
#78 Ole Miss
#89 Arkansas
#96 LSU
#107 UGA
#114 Tennessee
#132 South Carolina
#154 Auburn
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
The Grindfather
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Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:36 am to
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#50 Mississippi State


I wonder how different ours would look if we were 12-0
Posted by JonShoes
Lexington
Member since Jun 2011
65 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:42 am to
I think that the RPI needs to be taken out of the formula for determining NCAA tournament teams. It was a system developed in the 80's and it is clearly showing its age now with all of the modern systems of analytics available.

My biggest problem with the system is that it does not tell you how good a team actually is, because it doesn't take margin of victory into account. Why should a 1 point victory at home over an awful team be worth the same as a 10 point win on the road over a good team? Sure, each win is only worth one win, but it does not tell you how well a team played.

Here's how the PRI is calculated. Only 25 percent of the formula comes from how you perform. 50 percent comes from your opponents records. And the final 25 percent comes from your opponents opponents' records. So a very bad team could have a great RPI because of the actions of their opponents, and not because of their skill level. This is another major problem with the RPI the good can be rewarded for playing the bad and vice-versa. So the best team in the country isn't the best because its opponents arn't the best? That seems pretty unfair to me.

In short death to the RPI!
Posted by JonShoes
Lexington
Member since Jun 2011
65 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:45 am to
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I wonder how different ours would look if we were 12-0

If you're talking about the KenPom ratings about the same, it looks at how you played, not if you won or lost.
This post was edited on 12/20/11 at 9:59 am
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:45 am to
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I wonder how different ours would look if we were 12-0


Akron is apparently at #144 in the RPI. They've lost to a couple in the 130-150 range and played one that is at 340ish. That hurts you.

Kansas losing today to Davidson will ding UK, but not too much because Davidson was at #55 in the RPI.

Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
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Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:45 am to
Southern Miss somehow has a RPI of 4. Their biggest wins are Ole Miss and New Mexico State and lost to Murray State and Denver.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:47 am to
But keep in mind their RPI also comes from who those teams have played too.
Posted by JonShoes
Lexington
Member since Jun 2011
65 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:07 am to
An expanded look on the outdated RPI.

RPI is lousy
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
25057 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:11 am to
quote:

Still pretty early in the season, but as of now...

#23 Alabama
#26 Kentucky
#29 Vanderbilt
#41 Mississippi
#52 LSU
#54 Florida
#55 Mississippi State
#78 Georgia
#128 Arkansas
#134 Auburn
#273 Tennessee

Didn't have one for South Carolina


I'm guessing you are using the CBS RPI?

CBS RPI

Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:12 am to
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#23 Alabama
#26 Kentucky
#29 Vanderbilt
#41 Mississippi
#52 LSU
#54 Florida
#55 Mississippi State
#78 Georgia
#128 Arkansas
#134 Auburn
#273 Tennessee


the conference average is not great. therefore the teams hoping to get into the NCAA tournament are not going to get better RPI's during the SEC season. what you see is what you WILL get.

Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:16 am to
quote:

Didn't have one for South Carolina


It's not a number, it just says really bad next to us.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
34949 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:36 am to
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The RPI is calculated with 25% your winning percentage, 50% your opponent's winning percentage, and 25% of your opponent's opponent's winning percentage
That's retarded.
Posted by JonShoes
Lexington
Member since Jun 2011
65 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 12:00 pm to
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That's retarded.


I agree 100%

That is why I enjoy the KenPom ratings so much, it tells you exactly how well you are performing at any given time.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
25057 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

The RPI is calculated with 25% your winning percentage, 50% your opponent's winning percentage, and 25% of your opponent's opponent's winning percentage

That's retarded.



As "retarded" as it is, it makes the BCS look terrible by comparison.
Posted by bomber77
Member since Aug 2008
14783 posts
Posted on 12/26/11 at 12:03 pm to
RPI usually works out pretty well by the end of the season.
Posted by Hubbhogg
Our AD Sucks
Member since Dec 2010
13532 posts
Posted on 12/26/11 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

#128 Arkansas


Sanchise takes what he wants
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
65803 posts
Posted on 12/26/11 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

RPI usually works out pretty well by the end of the season.

Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 12/26/11 at 12:36 pm to
Dang, I was hoping this was a baseball thread.

Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
149544 posts
Posted on 12/26/11 at 12:40 pm to
Baseball:

Gators #1
Piggies - meh

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