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re: Curious to Auburn fan's thoughts on switching to the 3-4 defense.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 9:59 pm to Robot Santa
Posted on 11/14/11 at 9:59 pm to Robot Santa
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Both schemes are equally effective with the right players and good coaching.
Auburn would be doing themselves a huge disservice by doing a 180 midstream. You have been recruiting good players for a 4-3. A lot of them probably aren't capable of playing a position in the 3-4 though. You would basically be setting yourselves back 2 years in the hopes of a long term perceived benefit that isn't really much of a benefit at all. Auburn's first order of business in the offseason needs to be a complete overhaul of the defensive staff.
Good post.
Just look at the NFL right now. Top 2 scoring d's are the Houston Texans and SF 49ers. Both run a 4-3. Barely behind them are the Ravens who run a 3-4.
Both defenses are equally effective. It comes down to personnel and coaching. Having guys like Patrick Willis at MLB definitely make running a 4-3 much easier.
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Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:01 pm to joeyb147
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Houston Texans
They run a 3-4
The bears run a version of the Tampa 2 as well. Each defense can be effective with the right people and coaching.
This post was edited on 11/14/11 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:03 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
it's a hard to get there and you have to fight to maintain it but when it works you can totally fap to it if you do that kinda thing idk
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:04 pm to joeyb147
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Top 2 scoring d's are the Houston Texans and SF 49ers. Both run a 4-3.
GoCrazy beat me to it, but the Texans do run a 3-4. I will say that them losing Mario Williams (newly transitioned OLB) for the season is probably hurting them a bit. They've made a great transition in about a year or so.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:05 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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They run a 3-4
You're right.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:06 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
We just need someone other than Corey that can sack the qb from DE or OLB. Having a healthy D Ford, L Owens or K Frost would be a start but we need 8-10 of those types of players to get on the same level as a LSU who also plays a base 4-3 and has no problems stopping the run or pressuring the qb.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:06 pm to joeyb147
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Top 2 scoring d's are the Houston Texans and SF 49ers. Both run a 4-3.
I think you got some bad info, they both run 34 Ds...
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:09 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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I think you got some bad info, they both run 34 Ds...
Honestly haven't watched the Texans play and just figured with Mario Williams as an ideal DE on a 4-3, that's what they would run.
This post was edited on 11/14/11 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:14 pm to marshallcotiger
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We just need someone other than Corey that can sack the qb from DE or OLB. Having a healthy D Ford, L Owens or K Frost would be a start but we need 8-10 of those types of players to get on the same level as a LSU who also plays a base 4-3 and has no problems stopping the run or pressuring the qb.
Justin Delanie was doing well before he got hurt to
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:17 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
Tubs ran a 4-3 for a decade...change the personnel. Dont lose the Marcus Roberson and CJ Mosleys of the world.
Since AU pays recruits we should have no trouble getting better talent than Jake Holland and Chris Davis.
Since AU pays recruits we should have no trouble getting better talent than Jake Holland and Chris Davis.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:18 pm to TTsTowel
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I will say that them losing Mario Williams (newly transitioned OLB) for the season is probably hurting them a bit.
Both Connor Barwin and rookie Brooks Reed are doing pretty well right now, they've combined for 7.5 sacks in the past 4 games.
The weakest spot in the LB group right now is surprisingly DeMeco Ryans. He still a year away from being healthy, he's basically Donta Hightower circa 2010. Slow, taken out of coverage situations, but still shows glimpses of what he was pre injury...
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:18 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
I'm with the other people who say the personnel / recruiting make it too hard. The 4-3 will work fine for us once Roof is gone. We're better off not competing directing w/ Bama for front seven people.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:20 pm to MagillaGuerilla
How big is DeMeco now?
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:20 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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Brooks Reed
Dude is sick
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:24 pm to joeyb147
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Honestly haven't watched the Texans play and just figured with Mario Williams as an ideal DE on a 4-3, that's what they would run.
Understandable
I thought the switch to the 34 was insane, it could have potentially ruined/stalled Mario Williams' career. Whether it was moving Mario to 34 DE or making him lose weight to play LB, both sounded risky on paper. Instead, they keep him at relatively the same weight, and he ends up doing great at OLB until he was injured. I still question if he'll be able to drop into coverage a lot, but he's already proved me wrong once...
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:24 pm to marshallcotiger
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We just need someone other than Corey that can sack the qb from DE or OLB. Having a healthy D Ford, L Owens or K Frost would be a start but we need 8-10 of those types of players to get on the same level as a LSU who also plays a base 4-3 and has no problems stopping the run or pressuring the qb.
Dee Ford isn't a DE, just way too small. He'd be much more effective as a LB in a 3-4.
Auburn's not in completely terrible shape to run a 3-4.
DE Carter
NG Blackson
DE Whitaker
No idea if Blackson can handle the job of a NG in a 3-4, whose job is to eat up blockers. And I don't see much in the way of depth on the DL, but that can be fixed with a few Juco transfers and recruiting some big kids.
LB is where you're missing it.
Jack - Lemonier
Mike - Eguae
Will - Evans
Sam - Ford
Big, fast, aggressive. Lemonier and Equae would make pretty good 3-4 backers IMO.
Secondary...well...you got a pile of hot garbage at DB, but you know that, so doesn't matter which scheme you run there. At least with a 3-4 you can give a lot of different looks which will make throwing the ball against you marginally tougher.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:30 pm to llfshoals
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No idea if Blackson can handle the job of a NG in a 3-4, whose job is to eat up blockers
Whitaker would be much better at this. Blackson is probably our best attacking DT. But personally I don't want us to go to the 3-4. Bama and UGA are the two teams we go head to head against the most when it comes to recruiting and there aren't a lot of players out there that fit into the 3-4 scheme. One of the biggest things we can sell now to certain players is that they fit our scheme better than the 3-4, Kwon Alexander and Javiie Mitchell for example.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:31 pm to TTsTowel
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How big is DeMeco now?
He didn't balloon up like Hightower did, he's still around 250.
Rupturing his Achilles took a lot of his speed from him. He should be good to go next year...
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:33 pm to adammwilson
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Dude is sick
Indeed.
I know many that thought he was overrated due to people trying too hard to find the next Clay Matthews, but it looks like they were wrong...
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:48 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Why are people so obsessed with the 3-4? I know it's en vogue, but you can run a successful 4-3 at any level, and it's easier to run a 4-3 in college. LSU runs a great 4-3. OU ran a great 4-3 in the early 2000s when their defense was sick. Florida's defense in 2008 and 2009 was a 4-3. USC's defense under Carroll was a 4-3. Miami's defense in the early 2000s was a 4-3.
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