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re: Could you support your team if a convicted child molester played on it?
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:07 pm to rockiee
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:07 pm to rockiee
Is Child Molestation one of those situations where jail time should matter if you are innocent? Why would you let that be on your record the rest of your life if you didn’t do it? I’m not talking about a theft you plead guilty to for probabtion man.
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Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:08 pm to GatorBait24
Again, look up Brian Banks.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:10 pm to GatorBait24
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Is Child Molestation one of those situations where jail time should matter if you are innocent? Why would you let that be on your record the rest of your life if you didn’t do it?
That is all personal choice. Why would someone take the chance of jail time? What if knowing you didn't do it was good enough for you?
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:10 pm to rockiee
As the client, I’m not pleading Guilty to something I didn’t do. Like I said previously in those outlier situations where it may be better for you to do so. You still have to be prepared for people to call you out on what you pleaded Guilty too. Pleading Guilty takes away your right to claim innocence in a legal sense.
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:16 pm to Korin
Brian Banks was screwed by his Lawyer, was this kid screwed by his lawyer?
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:16 pm to GatorBait24
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Can the evidence really be that bad if you are innocent?
yes
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Shouldn’t a good defense attorney be able to create plausible doubt?
not always
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:18 pm to GatorBait24
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As the client, I’m not pleading Guilty to something I didn’t do.
That is fine, you are more than welcome to do that if you are ever unlucky enough to be a situation like that.
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Like I said previously in those outlier situations where it may be better for you to do so.
I'm sorry but it just seems you really don't know much about how this all works when you say these would be outliers. People plead guilty all the time to serious crimes to work out deals. Do you think there are only outliers in there when the people are actually innocent.
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You still have to be prepared for people to call you out on what you pleaded Guilty too. Pleading Guilty takes away your right to claim innocence in a legal sense.
Ya, you and anyone has a right to believe that. I still think it is ignorant if you are solely using that as your reason to believe he would have done it. Your right for sure though.
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:19 pm to GatorBait24
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Is Child Molestation one of those situations where jail time should matter if you are innocent?
Sure, when I interned with the DA's Office, I saw a guy enter a not guilty plea at his arraignment on child pornography charges and then pulled a 180 when the State was seeking about 80 years of prison time due to them being able to run each count consecutively. You tell me what's worse. Going to prison for the rest of your life as a convicted pedophile or taking a deal that makes you register as a sex offender? He took the plea btw.
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:21 pm to lsufball19
Then our justice system obviously sucks and we shouldn’t take any of it seriously. Guilty pleas mean nothing from now on I guess.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:23 pm to GatorBait24
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Then our justice system obviously sucks
Nah, just every justice system has flaws.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:23 pm to lsufball19
I would take my chances of proving myself Innocent and try to find a competent attorney to do so also. Your story means nothing to me I have no idea if he actually was innocent.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:25 pm to rockiee
What I’m hearing from you is you can’t take any judgement for certain because sometimes people plead Guilty when there innocent. If that is the case then how is anyone supposed to talk about these things?
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:27 pm to GatorBait24
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Then our justice system obviously sucks and we shouldn’t take any of it seriously
no system is perfect but I will say that 95% of the cases that came through the office where I worked, the defendant was caught red handed. They took deals because they had no other choice. It was 2 years and probation or 15+. Kind of a no brainer when all the evidence is stacked against you.
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Guilty pleas mean nothing from now on I guess.
Sure they do. In the legal sense, you cannot appeal a guilty plea and you are always going to be stuck with that on your record outside being eligible for diversion.
No one ever has said our justice system is perfect. Much of this is a result of sentencing guidelines. When sentencing guidelines dictate 10+ years in prison, the state has the upper hand and trial is always a risk in any area of law. So sure there are people who plead guilty to things they didn't do. But in a general sense, most cases that are indicted, the alleged perpetrator is guilty. The state actually does them a favor with their plea deals. There is a very small minority of people that take plea deals when they're innocent, but there are plenty out there that do.
And, full disclosure, I quit doing criminal defense work because of all of that. Having someone's freedom as your responsibility is a heavy burden to bear.
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:30 pm to lsufball19
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the alleged perpetrator is guilty. The state actually does them a favor with their plea deals. There is a very small minority of people that take plea deals when they're innocent, but there are plenty out there that do.
Disagree. The state typically overcharges so it can eventually make a plea “deal” that ends up with a conviction for the actual crime. Plea deals are rarely legitimate deals.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:31 pm to lsufball19
I wasn’t being serious man I know most people that plead Guilty are Guilty it’s Rockiee that seems to have a problem with that statement.
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:31 pm to GatorBait24
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What I’m hearing from you is you can’t take any judgement for certain because sometimes people plead Guilty when there innocent.
Yes with 100% certainty
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If that is the case then how is anyone supposed to talk about these things?
You are still allowed to make your own decision based on all evidence we have available, not just whether he plead guilty or not. I mean you are allowed obviously, just not the best way to judge these instances.
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:34 pm to GatorBait24
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I wasn’t being serious man I know most people that plead Guilty are Guilty it’s Rocklee that seems to have a problem with that statement.
If that is what you got from what I'm saying then just nvm I guess.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:38 pm to rockiee
That was much better worded than what you previously said, I can respect that position. I do understand there are innocent people in prison, usually poor people with terrible lawyers that are taken advantage of by the state. This kid isn’t one of them in my opinion.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:44 pm to nvasil1
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Agree with all of this. I also felt like the brother initially reporting him to police was telling.
Granted, I don't know what their prior relationship was like, but the brother must've been pretty convinced that he was at least capable of such a crime.
Could have also been a situation where the brother's wife gave the brother an ultimatum
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:48 pm to TeddyWestside
What about a team with a pervert in the locker room with a camera in the showers?
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