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re: Could Saban actually locate Atlanta on a map for Ole Miss?
Posted on 7/1/11 at 3:59 pm to Jon Ham
Posted on 7/1/11 at 3:59 pm to Jon Ham
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Saban's 5 years at Michigan State:
6-5-1
6-6
7-5
6-6
9-2
He never won the Big 10 or made a BCS bowl in his 5 seasons there. I doubt he could do much better at Ole Miss.
Wasn't this before Saban was Saban? If you know what I mean. Right now if he went there the money would flow, the recruits would pour in and at the very minimum when he left you'd have better facilities, better players, and more money. Atlanta? Sure, he could do it.
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Posted on 7/1/11 at 4:03 pm to X
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Wasn't this before Saban was Saban? If you know what I mean.
yes, it was.
LSU took nick saban and made him NICK SABAN.
And yes, he could get Ole Miss to Atlanta. BSCCG? No, but he would win the west one time.
This post was edited on 7/1/11 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 7/1/11 at 4:05 pm to WG_Dawg
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Please don't tell me you actually think that.
Let me rephrase that, not any team but i do think Kentucky, and Ole miss if he was given a few years to recruit and such
Posted on 7/1/11 at 4:09 pm to Robot Santa
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Saban, Miles, and Spurrier I could see doing it, and Chizik if the alumni were willing to open up their check books and turn a blind eye to corruption.
HAR HAR DERP DERP
Posted on 7/1/11 at 4:12 pm to RammerJammerBammer
If Jackie Sherrill can get MSU to Atlanta, then Nick Saban could get Ole Miss there.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 4:12 pm to WG_Dawg
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yeah he could make it with any team i think if he is given enough time
Please don't tell me you actually think that.
Why not? I think he could take any team to ATL if given enough time. Look at how Vandy is currently recruiting. Probably going to be top 25 this year in recruiting. Do you not think Saban could recruit better than their current coach? I do.
And if he recruited better than the current coach for lets say...7 years, do you not think that it is possible that one year he goes 6-2 in the SEC and wins a tie-breaker in the SEC East?
At Vandy, I believe he could recruit at least the level of South Carolina....and they made it to Atlanta.
I'm not saying that it would happen, but to discount it at all is just as bad IMHO.
This post was edited on 7/1/11 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 7/1/11 at 4:16 pm to auisssa
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Why not?
Because Vandy will never win the east. Ever. That's why.
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Look at how Vandy is currently recruiting
You mean how they have a single 4* committed? So that brings the total on the roster to like 3? THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED A GAME. I don't care what Vandy is doing in recruiting, that doesn't mean they're about to start contending for th east.
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do you not think that it is possible that one year he goes 6-2 in the SEC and wins a tie-breaker in the SEC East?
No, I don't. Because he still has to play Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, and 3 west teams every year.
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to discount it at all is just as bad IMHO.
No, it's not.
This post was edited on 7/1/11 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 7/1/11 at 4:28 pm to WG_Dawg
2008 they finished 4-4 in the SEC East. Beat South Carolina, Ole Miss, Auburn, and Kentucky.
Lost to Florida, Tennessee, Miss State and Georgia.
If they had top 25 talent, 2 more wins out of the 4 losses is not impossible. In that scenario, they would have a chance at a tie breaker.
With top 25 talent (which they will get this year, watch) and improved coaching, is it not POSSIBLE that they could win 2 out of the 4 that they lost?
Northwestern, K-State, Kansas, WSU, etc... There are plenty of bottom dwellers that have risen up on occasion.
Lost to Florida, Tennessee, Miss State and Georgia.
If they had top 25 talent, 2 more wins out of the 4 losses is not impossible. In that scenario, they would have a chance at a tie breaker.
With top 25 talent (which they will get this year, watch) and improved coaching, is it not POSSIBLE that they could win 2 out of the 4 that they lost?
Northwestern, K-State, Kansas, WSU, etc... There are plenty of bottom dwellers that have risen up on occasion.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 4:35 pm to auisssa
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2008 they finished 4-4 in the SEC East
And it was one of the best years they've ever had.
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If they had top 25 talent,
But who's to say they would? You don't KNOW that just because Saban is there they would start dominating. I'm sure their talent would increase from what it is now, but it's still vandy.
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is it not POSSIBLE that they could win 2 out of the 4 that they lost?
Well shite with a different coach who's to say that those 4 games they won turn out the same way? You can't just take results from one staff/group of players/roster/schedule and then add a hypothetical into it and say it would improve.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 5:03 pm to WG_Dawg
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And it was one of the best years they've ever had.
Well yea, but is SoCar can do it, Vandy can as well. It would only take a 2 win increase from 2008.
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But who's to say they would? You don't KNOW that just because Saban is there they would start dominating. I'm sure their talent would increase from what it is now, but it's still vandy.
Never said anything about dominating. And heck, I ain't even saying Saban is the only coach that could do it.
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Well shite with a different coach who's to say that those 4 games they won turn out the same way? You can't just take results from one staff/group of players/roster/schedule and then add a hypothetical into it and say it would improve.
Possible....its all possible. And the hypothetical that I am adding is better coaches and better players...which in this hypothetical scenario is a given, at least with better coaches. I'm assuming that a better coach would attract better players as well.
And doesn't better coaches and better players usually equate to a better team?
Later brother...I'm gone. Enjoyed the banter.
This post was edited on 7/1/11 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 7/1/11 at 5:07 pm to Robot Santa
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Saban, Miles, and Spurrier I could see doing it, and Chizik if the alumni were willing to open up their check books and turn a blind eye to corruption.
You really think Miles could do it?
Posted on 7/1/11 at 5:08 pm to Jon Ham
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He never won the Big 10 or made a BCS bowl in his 5 seasons there. I doubt he could do much better at Ole Miss.
That was before he had an established reputation and it also was when their in state rival was a national power.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 5:09 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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If Jackie Sherrill can get MSU to Atlanta, then Nick Saban could get Ole Miss there.
How does the west compare from then to now?
Posted on 7/1/11 at 5:10 pm to auisssa
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Well yea, but is SoCar can do it, Vandy can as well.
I often take the time to rip on South Carolina, but this statement is crazy.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 5:14 pm to ohiovol
I think that he could make it to Atlanta with Ole Miss after 2-4 years. The name recognition alone will get good recruiting classes. They would be top 15 maybe top ten in recruiting year in and year out. Coach O had decent recruiting classes there. If saban could get his players in place then he COULD make it to Atlanta. Definitely maybe.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 5:33 pm to RammerJammerBammer
In reality he could probably do it given some time. I think it all depends on how much grind he has left in the tank.
You know he would have to out grind Dem Merlins for them recruits. And Merlins is hard grindin.
You know he would have to out grind Dem Merlins for them recruits. And Merlins is hard grindin.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 5:34 pm to Barney Rubble
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I think that he could make it to Atlanta with Ole Miss after 2-4 years. The name recognition alone will get good recruiting classes. They would be top 15 maybe top ten in recruiting year in and year out. Coach O had decent recruiting classes there. If saban could get his players in place then he COULD make it to Atlanta. Definitely maybe.
I could see it, but I don't think 2 years would be enough.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 6:55 pm to Jon Ham
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Saban's 5 years at Michigan State:
6-5-1
6-6
7-5
6-6
9-2
He never won the Big 10 or made a BCS bowl in his 5 seasons there. I doubt he could do much better at Ole Miss.
One, he was coaching through scholarship reduction and probation at Michigan State the first few years. Second, he never had a losing conference record. Third, he finished 2nd in the Big Ten in 1999. I think that would be about the equivalent of getting Ole Miss to Atlanta, as is the point of this thread.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 8:31 pm to WG_Dawg
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WG_Dawg
Could Saban actually locate Atlanta on a map for Ole Miss?
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Why not?
Because Vandy will never win the east. Ever. That's why.
Totally not a valid point.
If Vandy Alumni wanted to pay a coach $4 Million, build $200 million worth of facilites while being located in Nashville, on top of all the rich southeast talent, they could easily become a mid-tier SEC team.
If Vandy ever wanted to, if they truly wanted to, they could push Ole Miss and MSU down while becoming the middle.
Nashville is a great town to live in and go to school.
Oklahoma State went from cow college to a legit team in the Big12 because of $$$. Vandy could EASILY do this if they wished.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 9:15 pm to SunHog
Vandy has had success in the SEC. It's just been 50 years since they were consistently good.
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