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re: Corso's saying UT and Oklahoma leaving Big 12 in next 5 years most likely 4 SEC

Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:23 pm to
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:23 pm to
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If the SEC does not move then the conference is handing those two universities to another conference.


I think you are confusing the interest of the fans with the interest of the universities here, this is not a zero sum game.

Taking just a few min to read how the TV contracts are written would make you seem a bit less foolish, the truth is Appalachian State brings more to the table than UT for the SEC.

The fact that the dynamic is completely different for another conference has no bearing on the decisions made by the SEC presidents, they are not going to take a revenue cut just to stymie another conference, thats not how we roll.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:24 pm to
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Texas has painted themselves into a corner and are trying desperately to figure a way out. The Longhorn Network was supposed to be their ticket out of the Big XII to the freedom of independent status but alas, the LHN has been a disaster of Titanic proportions and ESPN wants to pull the plug. No conference is going to extend them an invite without the stipulation that the LHN goes away. Texas isn't ready to give it up yet.

If that were the case, the Big 12 would no longer exist. It would be deader than Elvis Presley. The Big 12 survives as long as Texas wants it to.

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Oklahoma wants and needs to come to the SEC. The only thing stopping them is their idiot president Boren who somehow thinks OU is a midwestern Harvard.

No, they value the Texas-Oklahoma game in Dallas more than moving to the SEC.

Funny thing is, Oklahoma was planning to start its own network (and did, kinda sorta), but TEXAS destroyed the Big 12 by forming a network (so goes the conventional wisdom).

They are just angry that they don't have their own channel (they get limited airtime on Fox Sports cable) and nowhere near the money.

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By staying in the Big 12, both Texas and OU also will be able to move forward with plans for their own network channels, something neither school would have been allowed to do had they relocated to the Pac-10. Something that could bring in millions to both schools.

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Aggy also planned a network, but were stunned at the size of the Longhorn Network contract.

Here's some statements from their dumbass then-athletics director:

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Statement One: Texas is going to have a cable channel like the Big Ten Network that will give them even more money and recruiting advantages. After all, it was reported in orangebloods.com and many media outlets picked it up, so it must be true. Here are the facts. The bottom line is NOTHING HAS CHANGED!


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When we built the 12th Man Productions facilities, our plan was all along to eventually put together an Aggie Network. We are better positioned than any other conference school to do it. Having said that, we would still need to invest millions of dollars to hire the staff, and purchase the equipment and air time to do our own network. And while we would have some live programming from what ABC/ESPN and Fox Sports did not select, the bulk of programming would be replays of recent games and rebroadcasts of historical games. Even ESPN does not have enough live programming to fill its’ schedule each day. That’s why the Aggie Network is still on the internet. Today, the financial numbers simply do not work in our favor to produce 168 hours of TV every week. If you think about it, a separate school network does not work unless it’s public television, and they need all kinds of institutional and federal government funding. Last time I checked, the college athletic departments are not eligible.


I bet he was stunned when ESPN offered Texas $300 million to have its own network. He never considered a network subsidizing the start-up and production costs for a single-school network, either.

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It's sour grapes, that's all.

By the way, the Longhorn Network turned a profit last year.

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So, despite a losing football team, Kagan projects the network will achieve its first profit in 2016, at roughly $2 million on net revenue of $32 million.

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So ESPN overpaid Texas for the Longhorn Network.

They also overpaid the NBA, MLB and NFL, sometimes by multiples over the next-highest bidder. They have lost much, much more money on those sports than the Longhorn Network.

Does that mean the NBA, MLB and NFL are failures? No, it means they were smart to take the money and run.
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 11:26 pm
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:26 pm to
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The smart move : In 2010 Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC

Texas has a greatly reduced value even if Texas fans do not believe this.


X eleventy billion, the ship sailed for UT when A&M joined
Posted by A LeBlanc
St. Landry Parish
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:29 pm to
Across the board in all sports the PAC 12 without Texas has dominated college athletics no matter how many people do not see
But have been behind in the major sports of football and basketball in terms of national championships maybe not overall strength but strength at the top
If you throw the state of Texas and the resources of Texas into the PAC 12 it puts the SEC behind the 8 ball with no where to go except maybe West Virginia

Then the PAC 12 would be in control of the two largest states with 8 of the Top 15 markets and mind you that most of their states are growing
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:30 pm to
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Looking out for one's own best interest isn't spiteful; it's sensible and obvious. I question the sanity of any university that would've handled the situation differently, had it been in our far-outgrown shoes.

So A&M would not have turned down a 20-year, $300 million contract with ESPN for its own network... right?

Yet you demonize Texas for doing the same thing. You would have shite yourselves, even if it meant pushing high-school football games to be aired on the Aggy Channel.

That's the part that pisses me off most.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:31 pm to
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X eleventy billion, the ship sailed for UT when A&M joined


Same thing happened when Clemson and Florida State said no. SEC is a smart suitor for not going back and moving on.

Look at Cocks. 0 Natties pre SEC, 10 since and 3 of those are Big 4 sports. 2 for baseball and 1 for W basketball.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:35 pm to
I think the Pac-12 will ditch its network and beg Texas (and maybe Oklahoma) to join.

Pac-12 schools get less than a million dollars each for their network. They would make more in their regular contracts if they ditched the network and added Texas and Oklahoma.

I've also never understood the accusation that Texas would be relegated to playing at 10 o'clock at night. Plenty of Pac-12 games kicked off at 6:30 p.m. Central Time on the over-the-air Fox network.

Edit: And at 2:30 p.m. Central.
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 11:40 pm
Posted by A LeBlanc
St. Landry Parish
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:37 pm to
South Carolina doesn't have 10 national championships

I do not understand where you are getting your numbers from

Equestrian titles are not recognized by the NCAA
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:39 pm to
I don't begrudge the horns looking out for themselves; you gotta do what you gotta do.
But if they thought there wouldn't be some form of blowback from the LHN, then their levels of perceived self-importance were far greater than imagined.
I'd say the same about Texas A&M had the roles been reversed.
Ultimately it was a short-sighted move.

It's done. The two programs needed to part ways.
Don't let it piss you off.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:42 pm to
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PAC 12 without Texas has dominated college athletics no matter how many people do not see


That is the problem, no matter how good they are, if the fan are not, it does not attract advertisers. The B1G and SEC are the only really crazy sports conference in the NCAA in terms of sheer volume. PAC and ACC have great footprint numbers but folks just do not tune in or show up in big numbers.

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SEC behind the 8 ball with no where to go except maybe West Virginia


This is what folks do not get, first of all West Virginia is not getting in the SEC in my lifetime. Not to say West Virginia doe not have its points, just the math is impossible as as each new team is added, it must pass a higher and higher value just to be "average"

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If you throw the state of Texas and the resources of Texas into the PAC 12


It is still not going to fix the PAC fans. It way help, but it will not achieve what everybody thinks it will achieve. Same with Texas in the B1G. Folks will tune in for Texas vs Michigan but not Texas vs Purdue. Media giants can pay for Texas and Ohio State to play each other in a single game far less than the average bump up as a conference member because they have to carry the dead weight of Purdue and Northwestern type games.

It is fascinating that Birmingham and Louisville are not the top media markets but respectively they are per capita for college football and college basketball respectively. It is not just being in a big market that matters, it matters how well you penetrate it for advertisers.
Posted by A LeBlanc
St. Landry Parish
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:42 pm to
I think they need UT and OU in the biggest way short term but maybe not long term

The totally opposite of the BIG.


People hear these supposed ideas and believe them to be true

UT is a cancer
From a program that has become like Arkansas
That their sole purpose in life is to beat Texas
I bet you right now you put the Cornhuskers back into the same conference as Texas you will see how fast that program rebounds because you give them purpose.
Same with Arkansas. I believe it was more to do with leaving Texas than a higher level of competition that has hurt the Razorbacks
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:43 pm to
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But if they thought there wouldn't be some form of blowback from the LHN, then their levels of perceived self-importance were far greater than imagined.

I'm not sure you can say there would be predictable blowback from forming the network, as A&M and Oklahoma were also planning to form their own network.

Nebraska had several pay-per-view games through the years from which none of the profits were shared with other conference members. Yet they squealed like stuck pigs about the Longhorn Network and "unbalanced revenue sharing." What a crock.

Oh yes, how can I forget? Nebraska and A&M voted for unequal revenue sharing. Neither school expected to have subpar seasons that would, by contract, limit their television exposure (hence payout). But it happened and they threw a bitch fit and lied.

The difference in all this was the amount of money involved. That turned them from advocates into bitches literally overnight.

And I'm not pissed off that it happened. I was tired of aggy coming to Austin and making asses of themselves, and while College Station was OK, it gets tiring to be accosted at every turn.

What pisses me off is HOW the split happened. It was predicated on lies spun by A&M and Nebraska. Missouri and Colorado were relative non-factors because they coveted the Big 10 and Pac 10 for years (Missouri saved face by joining the SEC after being turned down by the Big 10).
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 11:53 pm
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:45 pm to
Posted by BoddaBoom7
Oxford, AL
Member since Jul 2016
957 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:47 pm to
Seems like a pretty bitch move for LSU fans to give this much support just to move Auburn and Bama to the east. Yall did run from Florida this past season though....and still got beat....with your savior Coach O.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
55240 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:49 pm to
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Equestrian titles are not recognized by the NCAA


It is a grey area, while not technically NCAA, they are governed by the restrictions of the NCAA. The issue is equestrian teams are expensive so few schools can afford to support them so they fall short of the number needed to be full NCAA. This number is growing so it may happen in the next 5 years.

Think of the old CIAW and AIAW for WBB in that it became NCAA in the early 80's as enough schools participated to be viewed as full members.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44176 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:58 pm to
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as A&M and Oklahoma were also planning to form their own network.

Thankfully we didn't.
The one school (as opposed to the entire conference) network model clearly doesn't work.
I can't speak to the UNL pay-per-view games (I don't recall them), but I've no reason to doubt that it happened.
... In which case, II'm sure you're right: The difference in $ was likely the reason folks didn't care too much.


That piecemeal, temporary conference was never going to last; it didn't make sense from the start.
Apart from UTex and OU, none of the big schools were going to stick around for the long haul.
Revenue sharing aside, Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Missouri were itchin' to jet ... and did so at the first opportunity.
Posted by A LeBlanc
St. Landry Parish
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:59 pm to
Then I must have been doing my job if Aggy fans are telling me to stop and using alters to come on this topic and add ridiculous comments
Posted by A LeBlanc
St. Landry Parish
Member since Apr 2017
1191 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 12:04 am to
Not true at all

A&M was happy in the Big 12 until they went out and spent all the money on Franchione and still could not get past winning around 8 games at their best a season
Then once they saw the same thing with Mike Sherman they ran out like a thief in the night


I have said this before national champions do not run from their problems. You have this aura of cowardice upon you
Maybe now you can run from LSU
Those arse kickings are bothering you more and more every year
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44176 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 12:06 am to
I'm not sure what you think your "job" is, but the alter thing is weird.
You obviously have horn ties; who cares?
No need to hide.

I made the stop posting comment, b/c while most of your comments in this thread have been silly, the "Arkansas and Nebraska need Texas in order to win" line took you into the land of absurdity.

But carry on.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44176 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 12:09 am to
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A&M was happy in the Big 12

You need to do a little research regarding just how long Texas A&M University has wanted to join the SEC.

Hint: It predates the Big 12.
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