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re: Confirmed: NCAA investigation of Auburn continues
Posted on 7/15/11 at 1:15 pm to marshallcotiger
Posted on 7/15/11 at 1:15 pm to marshallcotiger
quote:I think it is being blown out of proportion. In hind sight, he should have followed up privately after the Q&A if he wanted to get specific, but it seems like all of the coaches are a bit frustrated with the lack of clarity involved in the NCAAs process. It reads to me like Gene was following up on a line of questioning started by Dooley in which the coaches were trying to clarify the process, why it took so long and how they would know it was over. I assume (maybe incorrectly) that Ms. Roe Lach was giving non-specific general responses that didn't satisfy the coaches questions so Gene went specific and got a direct answer. Though it certainly wasn't the type he was looking for.
Exactly and althought we are getting some unwanted bad press this to shall pass. It's not like this is going to make the NCAA look harder at Cams recruitment.
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Posted on 7/15/11 at 1:28 pm to WDE24
I am of the opinion that the NCAA will never close the Cam Newton investigation. They got a lot of bad press over allowing him to be reinstated and they don't want that repeated by closing the investigation. I believe they will simply allow the investigation to technically stay open and hope it simply fades from memory until something falls into their lap or the statute of limitations ends.
Posted on 7/15/11 at 1:38 pm to marshallcotiger
Christ,why is this still stickied? Ok we get it,NCAA is still looking in to Auburn,we already knew that...Jeebus wake me up if something ever comes of it....
On second thought don't,cause the flaming will be awful...
On second thought don't,cause the flaming will be awful...
Posted on 7/15/11 at 1:48 pm to marshallcotiger
quote:Boy that would be awesome. I can see an NBamaAlum thread 4 years from now cryptically asking an question he already knows the answer to just to remind us.
I am of the opinion that the NCAA will never close the Cam Newton investigation. They got a lot of bad press over allowing him to be reinstated and they don't want that repeated by closing the investigation. I believe they will simply allow the investigation to technically stay open and hope it simply fades from memory until something falls into their lap or the statute of limitations ends.
Posted on 7/15/11 at 1:51 pm to WDE24
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I can see an NBamaAlum thread 4 years from now cryptically asking an question he already knows the answer to just to remind us.
isn't that premis behind most lawyers when they question someone?
Posted on 7/15/11 at 2:03 pm to TT9
The whole NCAA investigative process is flawed. There is no standard approach to their investigation. They rarely follow their own bylaws and in the Bama case they seemed to make it up as they went along.
I do think there needs to be a standard reasonable amount of time to either produce evidence of an infraction, or close the case. They should also allow for the case to be reopened if evidence is produced during the statute of limitations. That would eliminate the open ended investigations that Dooley and Chizik were complaining about. It would also end the never ending speculation of whether a program is or isn't under investigation.
I do think there needs to be a standard reasonable amount of time to either produce evidence of an infraction, or close the case. They should also allow for the case to be reopened if evidence is produced during the statute of limitations. That would eliminate the open ended investigations that Dooley and Chizik were complaining about. It would also end the never ending speculation of whether a program is or isn't under investigation.
Posted on 7/15/11 at 2:04 pm to WDE24
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I can see an NBamaAlum thread 4 years from now cryptically asking an question he already knows the answer to just to remind us.
That is something that I hope Chizik has learned. I'm not a lawyer but I've seen a lot of Law and Order and variuos other movies/TV shows about lawyers and from that I have discovered that Rule #1 is to never ask a question that you don't already know answer to. Unless of course you are Tom Cruise questioning a pompous general about who ordered the Code Red.
Posted on 7/15/11 at 2:06 pm to junkfunky
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junkfunky
Hey junk, do you happen to run a non-sports blog named funkyjunk, or is it just some weird coincidence?
If you do,
If you don't,
anyway for quote:
I don't know if he pissed her off but she kinda made him look like her bitch.
Posted on 7/15/11 at 2:07 pm to NYCAuburn
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Oh its out there. I have heard it. Just like the Auburn Ramsey thing, I am not sure how it can be denied
Even the most die hard Bama fan admit we cheated in the Means case. The bone of contention there is that a lot of other teams were involved too (in admittedly smaller infractions) and weren't held reponsible. That and the fact that the NCAA broke their own bylaws in using secret witness testimony making it impossible for Alabama to properly defend itself.
The 1995 case did involved cheating from the standpoint that Langham was clearly ineligible after signing with an agent and we arrogantly botched what would have otherwise been a 3 game suspension and no infractions if handled properly. The Jelks allegations (by his own later admission) were BS and it was flat out verified that an Auburn booster and his lawyer paid Jelks to trump up his particular charges. The Langham stuff was enough to warrant probation though.
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Please dont tell me you believe the "napkin" or that all the 09' players recieved a $1 packet
It in fact WAS a small amount (less than $100) involved in the case of 189 of the 201 athletes involved. The 22 "intentional wrongdoers" (15 track and field athletes and 7 football players) were involved with textbooks values totalled about $40,000 which is actually less than what Nebraska just self reported. That sounds like a lot but considering how insanely expensive textbooks were when I was in school and how much they've probably gone up since it isn't that much. It also happened over a span of 3 years which adds up quickly. The NCAA "findings" concluded cash wasn't swapped for the books. That was the NCAA's conclusion, not anyone elses FWIW. The textbook case wouldn't have even been considered a major violation if Alabama wasn't still in the repeat violator window.
Posted on 7/15/11 at 2:09 pm to marshallcotiger
quote:If you are crossing a witness in court, sure. That doesn't apply in every scenario in life. Chiz didn't go about it in the most sophisticated manner, but it isn't that big of a deal IMO.
Rule #1 is to never ask a question that you don't already know answer to.
Posted on 7/15/11 at 2:13 pm to NYCAuburn
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Please dont tell me you believe the "napkin" or that all the 09' players recieved a $1 packet
I just thought the severity of the penalties in 1995 were ridiculous. That, and I rather have kept the bowl ban, than to give up the wins in 1993.
2009 is bullshite because we're talking about a system that was employed by virtually every university in the country. Alabama self reports and gets hit hard for what amounted to athletes "renting" textbooks for a semester at a time. Let's wait and see what Nebraska gets from their case. I believe the total is much higher, and over a longer period of time, than Alabama's case.
Posted on 7/15/11 at 2:22 pm to Govt Tide
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It in fact WAS a small amount (less than $100) involved in the case of 189 of the 201 athletes involved
So $20,000 / 189 = less than $100
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totalled about $40,000 which is actually less than what Nebraska just self reported
So 28k is more than 40k
Man they sure do teach some funny math over there at Bama, oh thats right 13 NC's
This post was edited on 7/15/11 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 7/15/11 at 2:26 pm to CapstoneGrad06
I don't know any of these Bama fans who deny wrongdoing in the Means case. I do know fans who disagree with the underhanded methods the NCAA used to prosecute the case.
Posted on 7/15/11 at 2:34 pm to ChemicalXen
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I don't know any of these Bama fans who deny wrongdoing in the Means case. I do know fans who disagree with the underhanded methods the NCAA used to prosecute the case.
Posted on 7/15/11 at 2:38 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Alabama self reports and gets hit hard for what amounted to athletes "renting" textbooks for a semester at a time.
Bama got hit hard because of it happening while under probation and the scope across all the sports. as well as a couple of players clearly abusing it by giving text books to friends and racking up bills in excess of $1k
Posted on 7/15/11 at 2:39 pm to HailToTheChiz
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HailToTheChiz
I agree
Posted on 7/15/11 at 3:34 pm to Govt Tide
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The 22 "intentional wrongdoers" (15 track and field athletes and 7 football players) were involved with textbooks values totalled about $40,000
Incorrect. It was around $21,000. The 40K number is the fine the NCAA levied, they basically doubled the amount for their penalty.
Posted on 7/15/11 at 3:35 pm to ChemicalXen
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Posted by ChemicalXen
I don't know any of these Bama fans who deny wrongdoing in the Means case. I do know fans who disagree with the underhanded methods the NCAA used to prosecute the case.
Means and hicks situations aren't much alike. Means played 9 games for Bama Hicks played none(I admit being wrong that he never practiced) and we found out about it and self reported it. I wonder if we kept that under wraps if it would have ever come out?
Posted on 7/15/11 at 3:36 pm to NYCAuburn
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Bama got hit hard because of it happening while under probation and the scope across all the sports. as well as a couple of players clearly abusing it by giving text books to friends and racking up bills in excess of $1k
The probation they were under, was because of a self reported violation in basketball, that resulted in no penalties. They used that as the basis for their repeat offender status. Also, 21K over where 180 some odd didn't know they were doing wrong, as stated by the NCAA. Some students that were nailed for literally, .37 cents had wins vacated.
Posted on 7/15/11 at 4:05 pm to Alahunter
Is that like she was a little pregnant?
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