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re: Competitive CFB programs by conference:
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:57 am to theliontamer
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:57 am to theliontamer
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Their coach left and they stopped cheating and they lost 5 games the following season. It was a fluke natty.
LSU lost 5 games the season following their 2019 national championship season.
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:59 am to Tornado Alley
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Oregon has a ton to prove.
Know what the "O" on their helmet stands for? The number of championships they have won.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:02 am to Tornado Alley
Ok, and they didn't get caught filming opponents. And LSU played one of the most brutal schedules ever in 2019. The Big 10 is weak (proved by my accurate list) and Michigan still had to turn to max level cheating to win it all. I still included both in the contender list, not sure why you are so butt hurt. I think we can all agree filming your opponents and stealing their play calls is one of the worst forms of cheating. And getting caught mid season during your only natty run in the last 20 years. If Ole Miss had done that their title would be stripped.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:09 am to theliontamer
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Ok, and they didn't get caught filming opponents. And LSU played one of the most brutal schedules ever in 2019. The Big 10 is weak (proved by my accurate list) and Michigan still had to turn to max level cheating to win it all. I still included both in the contender list, not sure why you are so butt hurt. I think we can all agree filming your opponents and stealing their play calls is one of the worst forms of cheating. And getting caught mid season during your only natty run in the last 20 years. If Ole Miss had done that their title would be stripped.
LSU's 2019 title was a fluke because Tua had a fluke fumble while walking into the endzone.
LSU's 2019 title was a fluke because Joe Burrow didn't even attend on-campus classes.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:15 am to skrayper
He's probably counting 2004. Which is fairly relevant imo. Honestly, Auburn and Ohio State have played for the same amount of titles in the last 20 years. This is kind of my point, the BIG has such an easier path to wining than the SEC. They can claim Wisconsin, mich state, and minnesota are tough games, but they really aren't.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:17 am to Tornado Alley
Ok, I guess your reasoning and logic skills just never fully developed. Take 2019 away and LSU is still on the list. Take 2023 away and Michigan is off the list.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:28 am to theliontamer
quote:I find it interesting that you say USC and Washington can no longer compete, but then you list Ole Miss, Auburn, Aggie, and Florida, who have done nothing in the playoff era. Nebraska has as much of a chance to win a title as those teams.
SEC: 10 (Texas, UGA, LSU, BAMA, OU, Tenn, Ole Miss, Auburn, Aggie, Florida)
BIG: 4 (Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan, penn state)
ACC: 2 (Clemson, FSU)
Big 12: 0
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:34 am to theliontamer
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Take 2019 away and LSU is still on the list. Take 2023 away and Michigan is off the list.
WRONG AGAIN.
Michigan has made the CFP three times. How many times has LSU made it?
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:37 am to Tornado Alley
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WRONG AGAIN.
Michigan has made the CFP three times. How many times has LSU made it?
Also, didn't Michigan beat the national champion just last season? When was the last time LSU did that? 2011?
Michigan meets every criteria stated for "competitiveness" in your OP (recent national championships and beating championship teams), you just reached an idiotic conclusion their 2023 championship - which ended in an undefeated season and victory over the SEC champion - was a "fluke."
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:38 am to theliontamer
quote:If you’re talking about football, Florida is not on that list.
teams capable of winning a national championship
Basketball. Yes. But not football.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:41 am to BuckI
I'm just looking at the trends of recent history. Take away Washington's 2023 season and it's hard to find another season where they were capable of winning a natty. So, they didnt win one, and werent even close aside from 1 year. And their HC left immediately after that season and went to the SEC. USC is in a bad spot and has been for quite some time.
Recruiting class trends:
USC
2025: 15th
2024: 20th
2023: 7th
2022: 6th
Washington:
2025: 26th
2024: 30th
2023: 29th
2022: 59th
These programs are getting out recruited by low and mid tier SEC teams. And this actually does matter. USC will get some high profile kids, obviously. But the guys fighting in the trenches, doing the dirty work, filling needed spots, and coming of the bench are not elite level. And you NEED those guys to win football games.
Recruiting class trends:
USC
2025: 15th
2024: 20th
2023: 7th
2022: 6th
Washington:
2025: 26th
2024: 30th
2023: 29th
2022: 59th
These programs are getting out recruited by low and mid tier SEC teams. And this actually does matter. USC will get some high profile kids, obviously. But the guys fighting in the trenches, doing the dirty work, filling needed spots, and coming of the bench are not elite level. And you NEED those guys to win football games.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:46 am to theliontamer
I think we need a good ten years or so of the NIL era to play out before we can say for sure who is where in the college football hierarchy now. What anyone did in the bcs era or even 4 team playoff era is irrelevant now. Recruiting and roster management is completely different. Some teams will adapt and flourish, others will fall behind. Until a team proves they can compete in the NIL era, they don't get to be considered national title contenders based on things that happened 15+ years ago.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:47 am to Tornado Alley
Yea they make the CFP because the Big 10 is weak. This is the point of the post. Cincinnati made the CFP, I guess they are gods gift to football. Michigan State went to, God let me add them to the list. Let's ignore the fact they lost 38-0 to Alabama. Michigan also lost to TCU in one of those playoff games and got embarrassed by UGA in the other. Guess they weren't stealing signs then. I'm not over here talking about how awesome LSU is, you are the one that keeps dwelling on them.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:49 am to theliontamer
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Washington:
You declare Washington to be unable to compete, yet they've made the CFP more times and more recently than LSU, but you still declare LSU a competitor, even though they haven't done jackshit since 2019.
My friend, 2019 is gone and ain't coming back. Bayou Brian Kelly is your coach. Welcome to tRegression to tMean. LSU is a 3-4 loss program now. It is what it is.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:49 am to theliontamer
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Honestly, Auburn and Ohio State have played for the same amount of titles in the last 20 years.
Wrong
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:53 am to theliontamer
If you are going by recent success, then I again ask why those four programs make your list over Washington? The Huskies played in the national title, while those teams haven't.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 11:07 am to theliontamer
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SEC: 10 (Texas, UGA, LSU, BAMA, OU, Tenn, Ole Miss, Auburn, Aggie, Florida)
If we’re talking historical success, then Ole Miss doesn’t belong on this list or you need to include Arkansas… because historically speaking Arky and Ole Miss are essentially equals and Arky is arguably the better program of the two.
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 11:07 am
Posted on 7/7/25 at 11:12 am to BuckeyeGoon
O yea, I forgot about all those ones ya'll got blown out by SEC teams.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 11:16 am to BuckI
i mean, TCU also played for a natty recently. And whatever, washington can make the list, they were close and have had some good seasons the past 10 years. However, I give them 0% chance of even making it to the final this year. My opinion.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 11:17 am to theliontamer
That’s about right - in recent history, Auburn and Ohio are equivalents
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