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re: "College football's top 24 jobs" according to ESPN and fellow coaches..
Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:33 am to chilge1
Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:33 am to chilge1
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Just saying. There's a reason that Georgia, LSU, and OSU will be at the top for a long time to come.
I agree with that. All those are top 10 jobs. We aren't right now, but we are a top 15 job for sure.
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:35 am to cardboardboxer
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we are a top 15 job for sure
Are people arguing that y'all are not?
You're about to have a fricking palace for CFB and you have a metric frickton of cash at your disposal. Saban would go on one hell of a run in College Station, as would Meyer.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:36 am to DorchesterGamecock
Texas is not even close to number one. The boosters are just terrible. Even Arkansas has a longer leash with Jerry and the Waltons funding. 
ETA: How is Auburn not higher?
ETA: How is Auburn not higher?
This post was edited on 2/26/15 at 8:38 am
Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:37 am to auburnphan23
I don't know that Barry Switzer has ever even been to College Station and he was never in a league with A&M so I don't know why his opinion is so valid. If it was "a few years ago" it also could have been in the context of A&M in the late '00s when the program was at a low point.
A&M gave Fran a significant raise from Bama at the time. Fran also had coached at TCU and Texas State and knew the potential at A&M. Were the sanctions a big part of it? Sure, but it wasn't the only reason. Even so, if Bama is the #1 or #2 job and A&M is "overrated" at #11 (and this is after the SEC move) then how is that possible?
Just pointing out the facts:
The last coach to voluntarily leave the HC job at A&M was Bear Bryant in 1957.
Twice A&M has hired away a coach and made him the highest paid coach in the country, both times hiring a coach that was considered the hottest coach available (Sherrill and Fran).
RC Slocum turned down many job opportunities including the Arizona Cardinals while he was HC at A&M. Mike Sherman was a strong candidate for NFL jobs as well and declined. Kevin Sumlin has already turned down USCw, Auburn, and more vague NFL overtures.
It isn't debatable that A&M has elite resources, money, facilities, recruiting base, gameday environment, and fan and alumni support. Are they the best at everything? No, but certainly no lower than Top 15 in all of those categories and closer to Top 5. It's also an excellent academic school with a great alumni network and is the only SEC school in the largest SEC state.
So the only real negatives on A&M are it has only a decent winning history (Top 15ish with 18 Conference Championships and 3 very old NC's) and it sucked in the '00s. Before you rag on the SWC also realize that up until 1990 the SWC was on fairly equal footing with the SEC. The traditions thing is a love/hate thing. Some people enjoy fanatical fans and a laundry list of traditions and some don't. The traditions thing isn't really valid but the lack of recent elite success is enough to keep A&M out of the Top 5. To say it is "overrated" at #11 though is a joke.
A&M gave Fran a significant raise from Bama at the time. Fran also had coached at TCU and Texas State and knew the potential at A&M. Were the sanctions a big part of it? Sure, but it wasn't the only reason. Even so, if Bama is the #1 or #2 job and A&M is "overrated" at #11 (and this is after the SEC move) then how is that possible?
Just pointing out the facts:
The last coach to voluntarily leave the HC job at A&M was Bear Bryant in 1957.
Twice A&M has hired away a coach and made him the highest paid coach in the country, both times hiring a coach that was considered the hottest coach available (Sherrill and Fran).
RC Slocum turned down many job opportunities including the Arizona Cardinals while he was HC at A&M. Mike Sherman was a strong candidate for NFL jobs as well and declined. Kevin Sumlin has already turned down USCw, Auburn, and more vague NFL overtures.
It isn't debatable that A&M has elite resources, money, facilities, recruiting base, gameday environment, and fan and alumni support. Are they the best at everything? No, but certainly no lower than Top 15 in all of those categories and closer to Top 5. It's also an excellent academic school with a great alumni network and is the only SEC school in the largest SEC state.
So the only real negatives on A&M are it has only a decent winning history (Top 15ish with 18 Conference Championships and 3 very old NC's) and it sucked in the '00s. Before you rag on the SWC also realize that up until 1990 the SWC was on fairly equal footing with the SEC. The traditions thing is a love/hate thing. Some people enjoy fanatical fans and a laundry list of traditions and some don't. The traditions thing isn't really valid but the lack of recent elite success is enough to keep A&M out of the Top 5. To say it is "overrated" at #11 though is a joke.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:39 am to Tornado Alley
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Are people arguing that y'all are not?
Sure, some people in this thread say that 11th ranking (which is top 15) is ridiculous.
I won't fight someone saying we aren't a top 15 program all time, but right now today we are a top 15 job. I would rather be in our position than a Nebraska's or an OUs.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:43 am to cardboardboxer
Ranking Oregon at #11 is ridiculous, even considering the Nike money.
Y'all are definitely in a situation better suited for future success than, say Nebraska are Oklahoma. Comparing those programs to y'all's is like comparing Tennessee's to Florida State, IMO. Florida State has all the money and resources at their disposal - not to mention, they are surrounded by an immense recruiting pool.
Y'all are definitely in a situation better suited for future success than, say Nebraska are Oklahoma. Comparing those programs to y'all's is like comparing Tennessee's to Florida State, IMO. Florida State has all the money and resources at their disposal - not to mention, they are surrounded by an immense recruiting pool.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:46 am to aggressor
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gave Fran a significant raise from Bama at the time. Fran also had coached at TCU and Texas State and knew the potential at A&M. Were the sanctions a big part of it? Sure, but it wasn't the only reason. Even so, if Bama is the #1 or #2 job and A&M is "overrated" at #11 (and this is after the SEC move) then how is that poss
What relatively newly hired coach is going to stay long term with no bowl prospects for two years, as well as 30 less scholarships over four years? This after he was hired under the assertions that the sanctions would be a "wrist slap". He nearly left after his first year at Alabama for Kansas. What does that tell you? Are you going to argue the legitimacy of that job? And all of this over a coach that was a complete failure at Texas A&M.
This post was edited on 2/26/15 at 8:48 am
Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:51 am to Glory, Glory
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I’m late to the party....A&M is not a better job than Auburn or Tennessee. It’s not even close really. But overall, the top 10 looks about right, it’s all subjective at this point.
+1.
A&M claiming they are a better job than UT and Auburn is comical.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:56 am to cardboardboxer
I don't se ATM's money as a huge advantage when your main recruiting rival in Texas has just as much or more. Whether you have more money than teams in Alabama, Georgia, or Florida is almost irrelevant in my opinion. You don't recruit against those schools in those states very often, and I don't see a large number number of kids in those states traveling at least 10 or 12 hours to play for a school that is inferior on the field
Posted on 2/26/15 at 9:03 am to auburnphan23
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I don't se ATM's money as a huge advantage when your main recruiting rival in Texas has just as much or more. Whether you have more money than teams in Alabama, Georgia, or Florida is almost irrelevant in my opinion.
Georgia has 10 million people in it. Louisiana has 5 million people.
Texas has 27 million people. Two Georgias and one LSU could survive on our population base. Why does it matter to us what Texas does? OU has proven over the years second pick of Texas can still win national titles, just like in Florida. If East Texas was some smaller state with 10 of those 26 million you wouldn't question us in the top ten. I don't see how we aren't top 15. Texas can only sign 84, even their money can't bend that rule.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 9:09 am to Korin
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Reading comprehension is your friend.
Clarity apparently isn't yours.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 9:19 am to GalvoAg
There are a hundred different ways to make this a dick measuring contest
But I look at it as how likely is the school to land their first choice when hiring a new coach...
That's where schools like A&M and Oregon might surprise some of you, and schools like Texas and Notre Dame might fall
Because of that, and conference affiliation, I would put 10 SEC schools as better jobs than OU right now
But I look at it as how likely is the school to land their first choice when hiring a new coach...
That's where schools like A&M and Oregon might surprise some of you, and schools like Texas and Notre Dame might fall
Because of that, and conference affiliation, I would put 10 SEC schools as better jobs than OU right now
Posted on 2/26/15 at 9:26 am to auburnphan23
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Any school that has to sell conference pride as a major part of their recruiting pitch is not the 11th best job. The Aggies will likely start to get diminishing results with that pitch once Texas starts to win again
A&M is a top 15 job regardless of conference, due to the factors cardboardboxer listed, among others. Namely, the fact that we're recruiting in an extremely fertile area for blue-chips.
A&M in the SEC is a top 10 job with potential for more. A&M includes the SEC in it's sales pitch. But A&M isn't selling conference "pride". Texas recruits haven't grown up in SEC country. They haven't spent their years dreaming of playing in the conference. No, A&M sells SEC quality. They tell recruits, if you want to get to the next level, if you want to play in the NFL, there's no conference that better prepares you or showcases your talents by pitting you against other prospects that have NFL potential.
Will UTx start winning more battles? Sure. But don't be sure that this will make a huge difference. OU used to regularly finish just a step behind UTx in recruiting the state, and well ahead of A&M. But A&M has been running circles around Stoops in recruiting, even though OU has won 29 games over the past three seasons.
Because it's not just that the SEC is so good, it's also that the B12 is so bad. They're the worst of the P5 conferences, and they are falling further behind.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 9:33 am to DorchesterGamecock
Miami is too low and Wisconsin is too high.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 9:38 am to Mirthomatic
Tl;dr aTm way too high and we all know it
Posted on 2/26/15 at 9:42 am to cas4t
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aTm way too high and we all know it
so is your obsession of A&M
Posted on 2/26/15 at 9:42 am to cas4t
Head in the sand...
Posted on 2/26/15 at 9:44 am to Tornado Alley
FSU is actually pretty poors compared to most SEC schools. Once UT starts to win they'll blow past them money wise.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 9:46 am to WRTC
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A&M moving to SEC has taking some of the shine off of them
When did this happen? What has A&M done that matters?
Posted on 2/26/15 at 9:48 am to WRTC
Dp
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