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Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:21 am to Jjdoc
But it’s not illegal for an organization to set guidelines for membership.
Their is all matter of legal activities banned by various organizations provided their members want to actually stay members.
I see the ultimate goal here, they want the NCAA to cave or they want a legal showdown but their simply is no basis to legislate a private organizations guidelines.
The NCAA is not legally forcing anything on universities or athletes. If Trevor Lawrence wants to quit the football team and sign a deal with Nike tomorrow he certainly can.
Their is all matter of legal activities banned by various organizations provided their members want to actually stay members.
I see the ultimate goal here, they want the NCAA to cave or they want a legal showdown but their simply is no basis to legislate a private organizations guidelines.
The NCAA is not legally forcing anything on universities or athletes. If Trevor Lawrence wants to quit the football team and sign a deal with Nike tomorrow he certainly can.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:22 am to Jjdoc
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Thoughts now?
That players should be paid for their likeness and that schools shouldn’t have to provide more than scholarships and facilities. The same I felt before this law passed
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Aren’t their other governing bodies outside of the NCAA?
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 12:25 am
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:22 am to Jjdoc
I wasn’t arguing. I was merely pointing out what the NCAA derfines it as. I am not opposed to players getting paid. I just don’t see it being done anytime soon.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 12:26 am
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:24 am to JesusQuintana
I think the NCAA will call their bluff and win if it goes to the Supreme Court. Colleges don't have to be members of the NCAA. What California is doing is forcing their state universities to leave the NCAA. The NCAA is a non profit organization and the Supreme Court will rule in its favor.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:25 am to Jjdoc
It's my understanding that none of the PAC-12 member institutions support the positions of the state legislatures on this issue.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:26 am to AirbusDawg
And by the way, Forbes doesn't know shite. They've been wrong more times than right.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:27 am to JesusQuintana
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But it’s not illegal for an organization to set guidelines for membership.
There are very much laws in place that prohibit certain kinds of guidelines.
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I see the ultimate goal here, they want the NCAA to cave or they want a legal showdown but their simply is no basis to legislate a private organizations guidelines.
There is a basis, actually. He's been pretty clear in defining them.
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The NCAA is not legally forcing anything on universities or athletes. If Trevor Lawrence wants to quit the football team and sign a deal with Nike tomorrow he certainly can.
You don't seem to understand why anti-trust laws are in place.
Because the NFL prohibits players from being drafted right out of high school, players who intend on going that far have to play in college. In high school, they're minors and the high schools typically do not make vast amounts of money on their likeness.
College teams do, and the NCAA does. The NCAA series of video games by EA are clear examples of that.
If Trevor Lawrence is no longer a well known athlete, why would Nike sign him up to do anything?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:30 am to AirbusDawg
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The NCAA is a non profit organization
There's the nail in this coffin. The NCAA won't want this to go too far, because then the government will take a closer look at their non-profit status. It will almost assuredly go away; how does a non-charitable organization bring in billions in revenue and remain considered a non-profit?
By avoiding scrutiny of their books.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:30 am to skrayper
What sucks is title IX is gonna come back and bite everybody in the arse
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:31 am to LSUNV
Gonna?
Like it hasn’t already?
Like it hasn’t already?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:32 am to AirbusDawg
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I don't see this ever happening. Players are compensated by the scholarships they are receiving.
It's already passed. As soon as the Governor signs it, the count down begins until the NCAA changes or it goes to court.
Explain to me any other out come.
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This is really just about two sports, football and basketball. Once people realize that football and basketball revenues help pay the way for other athletes to attend college such as equestrian and water women's water polo, they will back off.
They won't because the states will have the upper hand in antitrust law.
So either the NCAA changes and be involved in the talks or court. The NCAA isn't just going to go away, and they know what's coming. The question is, what will the NCAA look like after that gets here.
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I don't really understand the argument of using a players name or likeness. So Alabama could sell a jersey with the number 13, but not have Tua on the back of it? Big deal, sell a jersey with just 13. Problem solved.
No... The law states that Tua, if he was in Cali, could negotiate his own contracts with third parties over the commercial use of their names, images and likenesses.
Under the Act, California colleges that net an average of $10 million a year in media rights revenue would be legally forbidden from denying their athletes the chance to hire agents and earn compensation derived from the use of their names, images and likenesses.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:32 am to Oilfieldbiology
True
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:35 am to Jjdoc
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You were right up until that point. the NCAA can not avoid a state law when it comes to this. It will result in Antitrust lawsuits.
It will be interesting to see how antitrust laws are implemented twords a voluntary organization that all parties that agreed to the bylaws of.
As members of this organization they are free to request a vote for change but I highly doubt the court is going to entertain that a small minority of members can force the change on the majority.
Any and all of the Cali schools are free to leave and form their own association any such time they see fit.
It aint the slam dunk you seem to feel it is.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:36 am to JesusQuintana
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But it’s not illegal for an organization to set guidelines for membership.
Their is all matter of legal activities banned by various organizations provided their members want to actually stay members.
Pretty sure that is not true in telling a person they can't make a living.
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If Trevor Lawrence wants to quit the football team and sign a deal with Nike tomorrow he certainly can.
And his value would drop, thus no contract, thus the reason we are headed to court.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:36 am to LSUNV
2023 unless the other states push it sooner.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:37 am to skrayper
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There are very much laws in place that prohibit certain kinds of guidelines
Examples?
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Because the NFL prohibits players from being drafted right out of high school, players who intend on going that far have to play in college
No they don’t. They could go play in the CFL or the XFL or the Arena League. There have been several HS hoops players that have went overseas instead of going to college. The NCAA is not FORCING anyone to be a member of their organization. I don’t see what you aren’t getting here.
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If Trevor Lawrence is no longer a well known athlete, why would Nike sign him up to do anything
That’s his choice to make. If he thinks going to play at a NCAA member organization is his most beneficial path, then he can. If he thinks he’s better off not doing that, he can. You think Zion could have gotten an endorsement deal had he decided to forego college? I do
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:38 am to Jjdoc
They should get paid. I have said it for years. I just hope that some obscure part of Title IX doesn’t frick this up
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 12:41 am
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:40 am to AirbusDawg
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I think the NCAA will call their bluff and win if it goes to the Supreme Court. Colleges don't have to be members of the NCAA. What California is doing is forcing their state universities to leave the NCAA. The NCAA is a non profit organization and the Supreme Court will rule in its favor.
Based on what law?
There are tons of Antitrust laws and cases that will be used.
Oil... Busted up. Your argument is akin to saying, you don't have to buy the oil.
Phone company... You don't have to have a phone, or you can start your own phone company. Bell was broken up.
Railroads... Broken up.
DO you really think the NCAA is willing to go in front of courts and risk them digging deeper into their rules?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:41 am to Jjdoc
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would hope the NCAA could win this and keep college competitive, but every SEC school needs to start saving up to go shopping!
Are you 16 years old? Why does this excite you so much?
You made pathetically absurd arguments on the last post in this is no different.
You actually believe D1 schools in California could form their own league and pay for themselves?
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This will forever change the game
LMAO!When exactly is this gonna happen?
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