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re: Cliffs of Chuck Person allegations for those that care (Updated)
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:14 pm to JustGetItRight
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:14 pm to JustGetItRight
quote:But they can reach a plea deal and negotiate much less. I agree, if you make them go through trial and prove it, then the sentences get longer.
The Feds have a sentencing formula. After conviction, they take the sentencing range, add in any aggravating factors, subtract out any mitigating factors, and come up with a recommended range for the judge to consider.
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:14 pm to JustGetItRight
Dp
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:35 pm to PearlJam
So, is it safe to assume that Wiley and Heron will not be playing in the immediate future, if ever?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:37 pm to Dirtman16
quote:I guess there is some precedent for them repaying the money, serving a suspension, and then playing again, but this doesn't feel like one of those scenarios. I think they will be nba or euro players the next time we see them playing basketball.
So, is it safe to assume that Wiley and Heron will not be playing in the immediate future, if ever?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:38 pm to JustGetItRight
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If they really have it all on audio/video, Person's going to take the first plea deal that comes his way.
If they have a slam dunk, why offer a plea? I'm lawyer ignorant.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:39 pm to dehsloot
quote:Save time and money. Illicit cooperation from the defendant related to the investigation or prosecution of other targets. Punish fairly. Etc.
If they have a slam dunk, why offer a plea? I'm lawyer ignorant.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:39 pm to Dirtman16
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So, is it safe to assume that Wiley and Heron will not be playing in the immediate future, if ever?
I feel that is a solid assumption.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:40 pm to baldona
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If not for NCAA and amateur athletes being involved, the feds wouldn't even care about this.
I doubt Person paid income taxes on the money, so I'm sure the IRS is interested.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:42 pm to JustGetItRight
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No. The feds hammer white collar.
Person is looking at 20 federal.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:44 pm to PearlJam
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Save time and money. Illicit cooperation from the defendant related to the investigation or prosecution of other targets. Punish fairly. Etc.
Makes sense. I assume Chuck's discovery was collateral and not the intended target.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:44 pm to PearlJam
dp
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:48 pm to dehsloot
Wow. Very little here is of interest to my wife, but Chuck used to live a block over from us here in S.A. and his daughter Tiffany came over to play with ours regularly.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:50 pm to dehsloot
quote:Not sure they had an intended target other than to expose and get to the corruption in cbb recruiting. Chuck certainly isn't their end game.
. I assume Chuck's discovery was collateral and not the intended target.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:51 pm to Bham4Tide
From NY times story:
Nothing pretty about this. It seems like they may take a close look at Adidas steering high school recruits to colleges with contracts.
Honestly, I am not sure the NCAA will ever have an appetite to look too closely at any of this or ever really dig too deep. Isn't the tourney their major revenue stream?
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The complaints did not implicate any head coaches, perhaps for reasons explained by one of the defendants in an audio recording of a secret meeting. According to a transcript of comments by the prospective agent, Christian Dawkins, the path to securing commitments from college athletes was through assistant coaches, because head coaches “ain’t willing to [take bribes], cause they’re making too much money. And it’s too risky.”
Nothing pretty about this. It seems like they may take a close look at Adidas steering high school recruits to colleges with contracts.
Honestly, I am not sure the NCAA will ever have an appetite to look too closely at any of this or ever really dig too deep. Isn't the tourney their major revenue stream?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:56 pm to PearlJam
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But they can reach a plea deal and negotiate much less. I agree, if you make them go through trial and prove it, then the sentences get longer.
Yeah, that's why I edited my post to mention a plea deal.
Assuming the evidence is as solid as it sounds, the first thing Person's attorney is going to tell him is DO NOT GO TO TRIAL.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:57 pm to higgs_boson
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Honestly, I am not sure the NCAA will ever have an appetite to look too closely at any of this or ever really dig too deep. Isn't the tourney their major revenue stream?
I pretty much agree. They've got at least 4 teams served up on a platter and the thought that the FBI might be after them will deter any others far, far better than any fear of NCAA issues.
I expect they'll just pick the low hanging fruit and move right along.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:59 pm to JustGetItRight
He would be nuts to go to trial.
That is one issue.
The other issue would be about the other Adidas guy who got indicted Merl Code. He is apparently the money man to pay the individual players from high school to colleges.
That is one issue.
The other issue would be about the other Adidas guy who got indicted Merl Code. He is apparently the money man to pay the individual players from high school to colleges.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:59 pm to higgs_boson
This is just the stuff that pertains to the federal case.
Imagine how big the NCAA violations are gonna be ....scratching the surface i suppose. For AU and everyone else.
Imagine how big the NCAA violations are gonna be ....scratching the surface i suppose. For AU and everyone else.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:10 pm to JBearden
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Imagine how big the NCAA violations are gonna be ....scratching the surface i suppose. For AU and everyone else.
This is where I wonder how much the NCAA will actually look past the FBI stuff.
I think most know all the AAU is shady, right? Combine the one and dones with the monetary incentives of the shoe companies and all of this is much more systemic than the typical rogue booster or stuff that dings football.
I think the four named schools get hit, and I would think they will have to do something about Louisville as well. I just read Forde already calling for the death penalty for them.
There are certain realities that I think the NCAA has to be willfully blind to, that is the only reason I can think they have never blown the whole thing up. Esp in basketball where the Adidas/Nike have branded the up and coming athletes before their junior year of high school.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:11 pm to JustGetItRight
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Honestly, I am not sure the NCAA will ever have an appetite to look too closely at any of this or ever really dig too deep. Isn't the tourney their major revenue stream?
Maybe go after one big fish, aka, Louisville?
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