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re: Clemson fans want to be in the SEC
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:28 am to CU_Tigers4life
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:28 am to CU_Tigers4life
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I think the 2 national titles in the last 3 years validates that statement.
Herein lies the issue...
While you should be happy in the now, the long term is the better window.
Minnesota won 3 of the first 6 MNC's then faded to oblivion
Georgia Tech has won 4 MNC's and is still not considered a FCB elite
Miami won 5 in a short burst and has flamed out since
Unless Notre Dame joins the ACC in football the basketball schools of the All Carolina Conference will continue to hold back the football schools. just because you would like to believe this does not stop the reality of this point.
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The BCS Era was all about the conference.
This is not true, The BCS was all about having #1 play #2. The issue it exposed was that the B1G and PAC (via the Rose Bowl) was no longer the showcase for MNC claims. Knowing the B1G was being left behind Delany had to deal the B1G back in by adding 2 more slots and then pushing the media to make sure Ohio State made the Final Four cut. Delany and the B1G is the main one pushing NEVER to go beyond 4 as it would weaken the B1G and PAC, not strengthen their hand.
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The CFP is all about the team.
The CFP is all about forcing the B1G back in the picture. Why do you think it went to a committee from polls. A committee can pick a team then set the narrative to match. The most classic example was the B1G pushing for years how much the CCG's meant until Penn State won, but were denied the CFP so Ohio State could represent the B1G in their place. Baylor and TCU had their shot but the committee only wanted Oklahoma or texas so the narrative changed to exclude B12 schools not in Norman or austin.
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Clemson has thrived as a ACC team in the CFP era
Cause does not equal causality...
Clemson has thrived with Dabo, not on the merits of Clemson the institution
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Conference schedule will become even less significant when the CFP eventually expands to 8 teams
Will NOT happen because that erodes the bargaining power of the B1G and PAC. Like it or not, some of the biggest stadiums in the US and lots of eyeballs are in the B1G footprint. In CFB both BRAND and SIZE matter and don't ever fool yourself that they do not.
Have the mantras tattooed to your forearm and look at them everyday
#1 The SEC firewalls the ACC for ESPN. Unless that changes, NO ACC school will be added to the SEC
#2 The NCAA was a dictatorship of the B1G for the 1950's, the 1960's, and the 1970's. It was only force3d out when the other schools formed the CFA and Oklahoma & Georgia sued the NCAA.
(folks on here are young and forget the only 2 conference that did not have a single team join the CFA were in the B1G and PAC)
(folks on here who are young forget the SEC kicked arse in the Rose Bowl until they were locked out after WWII)
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:34 am to Flibs
I would want them to join and be in the East to piss Auburn fans off.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:47 am to Cheese Grits
Don’t think any power 5’s are leaving for another power 5 for a while to be honest. And I really don’t see expansion for anyone.
Norte Dame is not going to give up their NBC contract and autonomy to join a conference in football.
Norte Dame is not going to give up their NBC contract and autonomy to join a conference in football.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:50 am to Cheese Grits
Good reply...I'm not going to copy the quote to respond. Everyone can see it.
The BCS era was indeed designed for #1 and #2, but you have to admit that in the era the media was pumping the SEC so hard they every school in that league got additional votes in the polls just because they were SEC...In fact, the sports media I think did a lot to create the "SEC hate".
As for as your walk through memory lane with past programs, all that I can say is nothing is forever. When was the last time Notre Dame won a national title?
Sure, Dabo is a huge part of Clemson's success and only time can tell if he has built Clemson in such a manner that his successor and keep up...If they do the FSU method and hire a Wille Taggart fellow we are screwed.
Also you have to like a population shifts. There was a time when California was the place to go. Only 3 networks once exists and all of the traditional big name programs were allowed on TV such as Southern Ca, Michigan, Texas, Etc. Since that was all the kids saw that's were they wanted to go. Now Clemson has the number 1 QB for next joining the program next fall and he's from California. We are now a national program.
It will last as long as it lasts. But what I can tell you is the SEC has nothing to do with this aside from allowing us to beat a couple of your teams each year along with whoever is in the playoffs. That's all the SEC we need.
The BCS era was indeed designed for #1 and #2, but you have to admit that in the era the media was pumping the SEC so hard they every school in that league got additional votes in the polls just because they were SEC...In fact, the sports media I think did a lot to create the "SEC hate".
As for as your walk through memory lane with past programs, all that I can say is nothing is forever. When was the last time Notre Dame won a national title?
Sure, Dabo is a huge part of Clemson's success and only time can tell if he has built Clemson in such a manner that his successor and keep up...If they do the FSU method and hire a Wille Taggart fellow we are screwed.
Also you have to like a population shifts. There was a time when California was the place to go. Only 3 networks once exists and all of the traditional big name programs were allowed on TV such as Southern Ca, Michigan, Texas, Etc. Since that was all the kids saw that's were they wanted to go. Now Clemson has the number 1 QB for next joining the program next fall and he's from California. We are now a national program.
It will last as long as it lasts. But what I can tell you is the SEC has nothing to do with this aside from allowing us to beat a couple of your teams each year along with whoever is in the playoffs. That's all the SEC we need.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 8:51 am
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:00 am to Icoachfb
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Norte Dame is not going to give up their NBC contract
It is an illusion
I am old and have been around the Domer mentality for awhile
Loathing and persecution of Catholics by Michigan long before you were born still lingers in the older Irish fans (the old people who write the REALLY big checks). They were forged in a fire of IND mentality as for decades the B1G has wanted to steal their ginger souls and weaken their presence in cities like Chicago, Detroit, and Indianapolis. As long as this older generation is above ground and can write donor checks the IND mantra will prevail.
However, the younger Domers do not have that same IND or DIE rally cry and have quietly signed up for the ACC in all things but football. ACC has more private schools and other amenities the Irish need to survive and once the old farts die off, they will go all in. Those Catholics in South Bend are anything but dumb when it comes to the dollars. ACC and Irish executives are just letting time take its course.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 9:11 am
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:28 am to CU_Tigers4life
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you have to admit that in the era the media was pumping the SEC
Actually, just the opposite.
Vols were the media underdog in the first game in 1998.
Nobody wanted the SEC in those early BCS games and the Gators were not wanted when they faced Ohio State. I think it was the fluke of a single media voice that got the Gators in in the first place. However, once that beatdown occurred it was harder to keep the SEC out. LSU being the second team to expose Ohio State and the B1G just made it harder to set a different narrative.
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Also you have to like a population shifts.
Which is why the B1G forced realignment in the 90's and again in this last round.
If it helps, only two conference had a fervent cultural population for college football to create demand outside a single or dual team conference. While you may think like a fan of your school, advertisers could not give 2 rats asses about you as an individual. They see the state of Ohio and Alabama with multiple cities in the Top 10 for eyeballs year after year even when Alabama and Ohio State are not in the MNC game. That stuff matters when when you are dropping billions on media rights that have to be off set by advertiser dollars.
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We are now a national program.
Not yet, Miami thought that a generation ago and were proved wrong.
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That's all the SEC we need.
If you think this is an ACC vs SEC thing you are just not looking at the B1G picture. They may not have the best product but they have the deepest pockets and in an age of corporate monarchies in the USA, the B1G is till a big swinging dick even if it is so old it can no longer get erect.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:37 am to Cheese Grits
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ACC colleges have smaller enrollments.
FSU 42K
NCST 34K
VPI 31K
UNC 30K
Pitt 29K
GT 27K
Not exactly that much smaller
Not that student enrollment is a big deal, unless you think only schools with big stadiums can win football games, but your post is disingenuous at best.
For 2017-2018,
Total SEC enrollment - 465,934
Total ACC enrollment - 359,140
100,000 is a big difference.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:42 am to IStillMissDanny
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For 2017-2018,
Total SEC enrollment - 465,934
Total ACC enrollment - 359,140
100,000 is a big difference.
Now do B1G enrollment for the same period.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:44 am to Flibs
I honestly don't know why they'd want to stifle their own success by joining the SEC. Why leave the comfort of a cupcake schedule; they get to rest all season before playing 2 tough games. While the Alabamas, Georgias, and LSUs of the college football world have to get through the SEC then 2 games in the playoff. I mean look how long it took Clemson to be relevant since 1981. Until Dabo came along about all they could hang their hat on was beating us and getting to a bowl game. Clemson can remain a powerhouse or fall into mediocrity in the SEC.
This just shows that they really are bothered by the ACC is weak talk.
This just shows that they really are bothered by the ACC is weak talk.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 9:48 am
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:15 am to SCgamecock2988
Alabama's margin of victory last year in the SEC was 33 points..Are you telling me they weren't rested?
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:18 am to Flibs
Let 'em in, and please drop Mizzou.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 5:34 pm to Cheese Grits
Why?
I don’t see what the B1G enrollment has to do with anything, other than make my point even plainer.
This enrollment thing was yours.
I don’t see what the B1G enrollment has to do with anything, other than make my point even plainer.
This enrollment thing was yours.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 5:38 pm to IStillMissDanny
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Why?
Because you were whining about how the SEC had so many more students
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I don’t see what the B1G enrollment has to do with anything
Which is why you are such a bitter troll on here.
Instead of engaging and educating yourself you resort to troll and deflection.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 5:55 pm to Carolina_Girl
You nailed it, Carolina Girl. The envy and jealousy are so obvious. They obviously are nursing a massive inferiority complex. Why else would they show up here and try to convince us of their supposed superiority. It’s pretty plain that they don’t know how to handle their recent “success”. They are like some toothless, barefoot redneck who lucked up and won $100 bucks on a scratch off lottery ticket. Yahoo!!! I’m RICH!!!!
Posted on 9/17/19 at 6:24 pm to Tillman
I’ve been to Clemson on several occasions. It is a rural school that is NOT the flagship school of the state of SC. Y’all are known for cows, overalls and tractors.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 6:34 pm to SaturdayNAthens
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I’ve been to Clemson on several occasions. It is a rural school that is NOT the flagship school of the state of SC. Y’all are known for cows, overalls and tractors.
... and, let's be frank, for being sheep humping sister bangers.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 6:36 pm to scrooster
I would not doubt it
Posted on 9/17/19 at 6:48 pm to Flibs
So let’s keep putting the good teams in the SEC? Maybe Ohio state can also join.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:55 pm to SaturdayNAthens
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I’ve been to Clemson on several occasions. It is a rural school that is NOT the flagship school of the state of SC. Y’all are known for cows, overalls and tractors.
Both UGA and Clemson are land grant universities with ag colleges.
Clemson is the most selective public university in SC and the highest ranked.
Clemson is known for engineering, architecture, STEM.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:58 pm to ibldprplgld
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dk. They're good now under Dabo, but their success leaves with him. They struck gold with him, but they aren't one of the top 15 schools that are built for success for the long haul.
Their crash back down to reality is going to be interesting to watch...from a far of course.
Two years ago after Clemson won the natty with Watson, ya'll said that Clemson wouldn't win another one and only won that one b/c Watson was a generational QB.
might want to hold off on predictions.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 8:00 pm
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