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Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:57 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:57 pm to Irons Puppet
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SEC is given way too much credit. The league sucks this year with sub par QBs and teams hovering just above .500. The second best team in the league was destroyed by Memphis.
Are you commenting on people's opinions of the facts spit out by computer algorithms up at the top? Are the computer algorithms (roughly 40 different ones) all overrating the SEC?
The metrics all say that the SEC West is still, by a slight margin, the best division due to it's depth of good teams plus Alabama. The metrics also say the SEC East is the worst division. Add all of that together and the metrics say that the SEC is probably deeper than most leagues but does not have as much elite firepower at the top as past years and is the somewhere between #1 and #3 in terms of conferences. This generally means their champion will be in a playoff field of 4.
So, not sure what your point is.
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 2:58 pm
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:58 pm to Buckeye06
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or Meyer being a moron
Spreading the ball too thin, trying to be too much for recruiting reason.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:02 pm to Pacito
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Oklahoma has the best wins. They also have the worse loss.
Why should anyone believe that TCU, Baylor and Okie State are good teams? They split their games between themselves, all lost to OU, beat the 4 conference teams with losing records (including winless Kansas), and played these OOC games:
Central Michigan
Central Arkansas
Texas San Antonio
Stephen F Austin
SMU (twice, TCU and Baylor)
Minnesota
Lamar
Rice
5-7 Minnesota was their toughest OOC game, a game that TCU won by 6 points.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:06 pm to LoneMDG
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Why should anyone believe that TCU, Baylor and Okie State are good teams? They split their games between themselves, all lost to OU, beat the 4 conference teams with losing records (including winless Kansas), and played these OOC games: Central Michigan Central Arkansas Texas San Antonio Stephen F Austin SMU (twice, TCU and Baylor) Minnesota Lamar Rice 5-7 Minnesota was their toughest OOC game, a game that TCU won by 6 points.
I somewhat agree, but at some point you have to trust your eyes and the metrics for stuff like this because in CFB teams don't all play eachother very much and there is a lot of transitive property analysis.
TCU with Boykin and Doctson were very good on offense. Baylor with Russell was as well. I think they were both Top 10 teams fully intact. I don't really know what they were with TCU's backups and Baylor's backups, probably still solid teams but not Top 10 clubs. Maybe Top 20? I just don't know.
Oklahoma State stinks.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The West has the perceived look of depth, but the truth is they are average to below teams
Ole Miss-destroyed by Memphis and a UF team with no offense.
Arkansas-loses to Toledo
A&M- loses to AU at home, who has to go to OT to beat JSU.
AU- see above and 6-6
And the list goes on and on.
Ole Miss-destroyed by Memphis and a UF team with no offense.
Arkansas-loses to Toledo
A&M- loses to AU at home, who has to go to OT to beat JSU.
AU- see above and 6-6
And the list goes on and on.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:09 pm to LoneMDG
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Why should anyone believe that TCU, Baylor and Okie State are good teams? They split their games between themselves, all lost to OU, beat the 4 conference teams with losing records (including winless Kansas), and played these OOC games:
Central Michigan
Central Arkansas
Texas San Antonio
Stephen F Austin
SMU (twice, TCU and Baylor)
Minnesota
Lamar
Rice
5-7 Minnesota was their toughest OOC game, a game that TCU won by 6 points.
And they all play Kansas
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:12 pm to Irons Puppet
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The West has the perceived look of depth, but the truth is they are average to below teams Ole Miss-destroyed by Memphis and a UF team with no offense. Arkansas-loses to Toledo A&M- loses to AU at home, who has to go to OT to beat JSU. AU- see above and 6-6 And the list goes on and on.
Again, I don't know who or what you are arguing with. The computers are stupid? I mean, alright.
Which Division would you argue is better than the SEC West?
Pac 12 North? Stanford very good, Oregon pretty good, Wazzu lost to a 1AA team, Cal/WSU 7-5/6-6 and Oregon State awful. OOC wins? Notre Dame
Pac 12 South? A bunch of 9-3/8-4 teams, mediocre AZ teams and terrible Colorado. OOC Wins? None
Big Ten East? Very good at the top, OSU/MSU/Michigan, medicore Penn State and Indiana, terrible Maryland and Rutgers. OOC Wins? Oregon, BYU?
ACC Atlantic? Clemson is elite, FSU is very good, next best team lost to Auburn, NC St is 7-5 with no good wins and the bottom 3 are awful (Cuse/WF/BC)
I mean, there isn't a division that is clearly any better than the SEC West. They all have similar question marks.
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The SEC west is just not very good this year. When Memphis destroys Ole Miss and Texas Tech ( 6th in the Big 12 ) goes to Arkansas and beats them by double digits, you just aren't very good. SEC has been the most dominant conference for many years. Just not this year. Too many bad losses and close wins against really bad OOC teams.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:22 pm to Pacito
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The SEC west is just not very good this year.
Again, you are comparing the SEC West to your image of the last 4-5 years of the SEC West.
Compare the SEC West to other actual 2015 CFB Divisions. It is pretty much equal with the Pac 12 North and the Big Ten East. It is clearly better than all of the rest.
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Here is my ranking:
1. 12-0
2. 12-0
3. 11-1
4. 11-1
5. 11-1
6. 11-1
1. 12-0
2. 12-0
3. 11-1
4. 11-1
5. 11-1
6. 11-1
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The SEC West is given credit because all the teams are Bowl eligible, which is mainly due to how bad it is. If you look closely at the teams loses, there are some really ugly one. The SEC W champion is going to have a ugly loss at home in which they were behind by 20 points in the 4th Qrt and needed an OSK to make it look close. They lose to a team that allowed UF to score 20+ points against them, that by itself should say it all.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:37 pm to Irons Puppet
Florida doesn't have Grier, you arse!
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:37 pm to Irons Puppet
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The SEC West is given credit because all the teams are Bowl eligible, which is mainly due to how bad it is. If you look closely at the teams loses, there are some really ugly one. The SEC W champion is going to have a ugly loss at home in which they were behind by 20 points in the 4th Qrt and needed an OSK to make it look close. They lose to a team that allowed UF to score 20+ points against them, that by itself should say it all.
You are just spitting out various adjectives. You aren't addressing my question above. Which divisions are better than the SEC West? There are 2 that I think could be argued are equal. The rest are unequivocally worse.
If you disagree please tell me why.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:46 pm to Irons Puppet
Big 4 shaping up as follows:
Oklahoma IN
Alabama IN if win; if not SEC left out
Clemson IN if win: if not then either UNC, Stanford, ND or Clemson get 4th spot
Iowa v MSU: Play in game
UNC is thrilled to even be in the conversation
Oklahoma IN
Alabama IN if win; if not SEC left out
Clemson IN if win: if not then either UNC, Stanford, ND or Clemson get 4th spot
Iowa v MSU: Play in game
UNC is thrilled to even be in the conversation
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:49 pm to dlc83
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Big 4 shaping up as follows:
Oklahoma IN
Alabama IN if win; if not SEC left out
Clemson IN if win: if not then either UNC, Stanford, ND or Clemson get 4th spot
Iowa v MSU: Play in game
UNC is thrilled to even be in the conversation
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ND
Move on to basketball.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:55 pm to antibarner
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These teams that play one fewer game SHOULD have it held against them.
I have said it before, teams that do not win their conference have no business playing for the national title.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 4:04 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I could see A Ohio State University getting back in the top 4 if UNC beats Clemson Saturday
Posted on 12/1/15 at 4:07 pm to Irons Puppet
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The SEC West is given credit because all the teams are Bowl eligible, which is mainly due to how bad it is.
Wow, that couldn't be more wrong.
All the teams in the SEC-W are bowl eligible or have better records because the EAST is so bad, not the west.
The west went 12-2 against the East this year. Neither Auburn nor Arkansas makes it to 6 wins without winning games against the east. Even more telling, the three 8-win teams from the west all swept their eastern foes. A more competitive balance would have resulted in some of those teams only having 6 or 7 wins.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 4:29 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Best "teams" (per computers)
Alabama
Clemson
Oklahoma
Ohio State
Not sure how OSU gets that much love considering that's one Charmin-soft schedule they have.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 4:55 pm to Irons Puppet
I agree the sec is down this year but the fact remains that all of the teams on Bamas schedule are 8-3 or 7-4. They still have one of the best schedules in the nation. OM which I know was a loss is much better thannMemohis and I don't think anyone would argue were the game played again they would win.
Auburn terrible record but their defense has improved considerably.
Arkansas is ambers tough team and would be at least middle of the road if not better in all of the power five conferences. TN is a very physical tough team that is as good or better than most of the middle of the road power five conferences. Losses yes but they had Oklahoma on the ropes and Bama in the fourth qtr and couldn't close the deal. That's two top 5 teams.
Auburn terrible record but their defense has improved considerably.
Arkansas is ambers tough team and would be at least middle of the road if not better in all of the power five conferences. TN is a very physical tough team that is as good or better than most of the middle of the road power five conferences. Losses yes but they had Oklahoma on the ropes and Bama in the fourth qtr and couldn't close the deal. That's two top 5 teams.
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