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re: Clearing up some misconceptions about A&M

Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:46 pm to
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:46 pm to
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Do you just pull these statements out of your arse? serious question


Yes
Posted by Pigimus Prime
Arkansas
Member since Feb 2012
4095 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:46 pm to
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My reason for thinking that A&M's expenditures will be growing faster than other schools in the SEC is threefold: 1) Our almuni base continues to expand as we flood our older alumni base with Ags that attended a much larger school than the old Ags before them. Older alumni have money, and they want season tickets. 2) Our previous budgets were based on Big 12 TV money. We're going to start getting SEC TV money. 3) A much larger stadium will be finished by then.


1) As do everyone else's. 2) There really wasn't that nig of a parity for A&M on this, buy there may be in the future. 3) Everyone is expanding or already bigger than Kyle will be.

1/3 maybe, more good work.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
73241 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:46 pm to
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We love our football in Texas, too, but there is no school in Texas that has managed to pull a fanbase like Alabama and Auburn have with comparable size alumni bases.


The University of Alabama isn't relegated to the borders of the state of Alabama. It's a regional school with a national following in football. Arguably even moreso than Texas.
Posted by Bose Ikard
Member since Jul 2012
826 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:48 pm to
Why do you think my statement lacks merit?

You should be able to prove it false easily enough. Find a school like the following:

1) Has one of the top 10-15 largest fan bases.
2) Has a comparably small alumni base.
3) Is from a region with competing in-state NFL team.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
73241 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:51 pm to
Let me get this straight. Your entire argument is that Alabama's 100-plus year dominance in football shouldn't have happened because of the relatively small enrollement of UA, until the last decade, and the fact that the state population is small?
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:51 pm to
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You should be able to prove it false easily enough. Find a school like the following: 1) Has one of the top 10-15 largest fan bases. 2) Has a comparably small alumni base. 3) Is from a region with competing in-state NFL team.


Auburn and clemson

in-state nfl teams doesnt matter and the falcons are only an hour-hour and a half away from either

next....
Posted by Bose Ikard
Member since Jul 2012
826 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:52 pm to
Neither Auburn nor Clemson fits the criteria.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:52 pm to
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Neither Auburn nor Clemson fits the criteria.


how so?
Posted by Pigimus Prime
Arkansas
Member since Feb 2012
4095 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:52 pm to
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Bose Ikard



Again, go read up on making arguments and postulations. Then come back next week and try again. It is not for us to go find facts to support your claims.

Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time. It is customary to suppose that, if a belief is widespread, there must be something reasonable about it. I do not think this view can be held by anyone who has studied history. Practically all the beliefs of savages are absurd. In early civilizations there may be as much as one percent for which there is something to be said. In our own day.... But at this point I must be careful. We all know that there are absurd beliefs in Soviet Russia. If we are Protestants, we know that there are absurd beliefs among Catholics. If we are Catholics, we know that there are absurd beliefs among Protestants. If we are Conservatives, we are amazed by the superstitions to be found in the Labour Party. If we are Socialists, we are aghast at the credulity of Conservatives. I do not know, dear reader, what your beliefs may be, but whatever they may be, you must concede that nine-tenths of the beliefs of nine-tenths of mankind are totally irrational. The beliefs in question are, of course, those which you do not hold. I cannot, therefore, think it presumptuous to doubt something which has long been held to be true, especially when this opinion has only prevailed in certain geographical regions, as is the case with all theological opinions
Posted by Bose Ikard
Member since Jul 2012
826 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:53 pm to
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Your entire argument is that Alabama's 100-plus year dominance in football shouldn't have happened because of the relatively small enrollement of UA, until the last decade, and the fact that the state population is small?


No.
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 1:53 pm
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:55 pm to
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No.


Stop making stuff up and answer my questions.
Posted by Waffle House
NYC
Member since Aug 2008
3983 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:58 pm to
I don't know how you define small alumni base but the following all have less than 280,000 alumni.

FSU
LSU
MIAMI
UGA

By comparison, A&M cited 350,000 former students. And yes I know that former students do not equal alumni.

Posted by Bose Ikard
Member since Jul 2012
826 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:58 pm to
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At what point in the SWC did we have bottom half resources? At what point in the Big 12 did we have bottom half resources in the conference? Do we currently have bottom half resources in the SEC?


1. Don't know. We probably had bottom half resources in the twenties, thirties, and fourties, but I'd have to check on that. It would be close.

2. Never.

3. We are right at the midpoint, and gaining. We have a fan base that is currently on par with anyone in the SEC, and that fan base will translate into a budget that can compete with the top SEC schools, and soon.

This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 2:19 pm
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
37741 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:59 pm to
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Alabama's 100-plus year dominance



Posted by BrerTiger
Valley of the Long Grey Cloud
Member since Sep 2011
21651 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:03 pm to
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(Why haven't the Mississippi school been able to capitalize on the lack of regional pro sports competition?)


Because Mississippi is the poorest state in the nation. Ole Miss is way closer to Memphis than Jackson and the other population centers of the state. State is just in the middle of nowhere. And Southern Miss has been competitive at times and I think back in the 90s USM used to have more students than either State or Ole Miss as USM is more centrally located for most of the state's population. Money is spread between 3 schools plus more than a few HBC schools to boot.

The state has tons of talent (Louisiana and Mississippi have the most NFL players per capita) but it's very hard for Ole Miss and State to keep the best players in state with LSU, Bama, Auburn, Tennessee and Arkansas next door.

It is what it is.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:05 pm to
also mississippi has plenty of fans of other schools inside its borders.

then alot of the good mississippi high school players can't get into college anyways so it hurts ole miss and state.
Posted by Smoke Ring
Scenic Highway Crackhouse
Member since Dec 2010
4337 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:05 pm to
This thread gave me sleepy head.
Posted by joe.liberst
Shreveport
Member since Jul 2012
1002 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:14 pm to
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so you dont support the dress up corps and the yell leaders?



I support and understand the need for senior military colleges like NGCS, Dahlonega, Norwich, Northfield, Vermont, The Citadel, VMI, Virginia Tech, and A&M.

The last yell leader I knew personally was Boo Boo Davies back in the early 2000's. He was a pretty cool guy (non-homo).
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:15 pm to
but you dont support the dress up gang and yell leaders life styles?
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:19 pm to
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1. Don't know. We probably had bottom half resources in the twenties, thirties, and fourties, but I'd have to check on that. It would be close.

2. Never.

3. We are right at the midpoint, and gaining.

Not sure how these questions are relevant to anything I said.


1. The correct answer is never. We had top 3 at every point.

2. Good job!

3. Sort of right. Right we are 7th or 8th. We might be gaining, but we won't surpass the Big 6 for 20 years, if ever.


How are they not relevant? They only thing you've been blabbering on about is resources.
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