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Changing the current playoff ranking process-2 proposals
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:43 pm
It appears that the playoff committee's directive is to maximize CFB revenue rather than pick the teams that, through their performance in a given year, have merited playoff berths.
I propose two method that I think are clearly better, more just and, in one case, adds a broad based appeal with high entertainment value.
The first proposal is based on the now old BCS system, which despite its short comings was far less vulnerable to the vicissitudes of human bias than any committee system could ever be. Hence its demise. Nevertheless, the old ranking would be brought back along with the crony bowls. At the end of these bowls, the final BCS ranking would pit #1 v #2 in a NC game. Fairly simple and straight forward.
The second proposal involves the creation of an open source ranking in which anyone could participate. All entrants would prognosticate the AP and/or BCS top 25 each week. The WL records of all participants would determine the top 100 who, at the conclusion of the regular season, would pick the top 4 or 8 for a playoff. This would eliminate any and all special interests and ties to crony bowls. Those who best predicted the outcomes of all the relevant games during the regular season would, IMHO, obviously be best qualified to decide who should play for all the marbles.
Any thoughts? Better ideas?
I propose two method that I think are clearly better, more just and, in one case, adds a broad based appeal with high entertainment value.
The first proposal is based on the now old BCS system, which despite its short comings was far less vulnerable to the vicissitudes of human bias than any committee system could ever be. Hence its demise. Nevertheless, the old ranking would be brought back along with the crony bowls. At the end of these bowls, the final BCS ranking would pit #1 v #2 in a NC game. Fairly simple and straight forward.
The second proposal involves the creation of an open source ranking in which anyone could participate. All entrants would prognosticate the AP and/or BCS top 25 each week. The WL records of all participants would determine the top 100 who, at the conclusion of the regular season, would pick the top 4 or 8 for a playoff. This would eliminate any and all special interests and ties to crony bowls. Those who best predicted the outcomes of all the relevant games during the regular season would, IMHO, obviously be best qualified to decide who should play for all the marbles.
Any thoughts? Better ideas?
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Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:49 pm to White Tiger
The first proposal died the second OSU got the 4th spot. Delany and his cronies got exactly what they wanted -- a system where even undeserving B1G teams could play for the title. They'd fight any proposal to go back to the BCS poll system.
The second proposal simply wouldn't work for the same reason ESPN fan polls don't work -- it's too susceptible to massive special interest voting blocs favoring popular teams, with an added side benefit of probable voter fraud to the mix.
The first proposal is where I'd go, but, as I said, it's just not going to happen, at least not in that form.
The second proposal simply wouldn't work for the same reason ESPN fan polls don't work -- it's too susceptible to massive special interest voting blocs favoring popular teams, with an added side benefit of probable voter fraud to the mix.
The first proposal is where I'd go, but, as I said, it's just not going to happen, at least not in that form.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:55 pm to randomways
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The first proposal died the second OSU got the 4th spot. Delany and his cronies got exactly what they wanted -- a system where even undeserving B1G teams could play for the title. They'd fight any proposal to go back to the BCS poll system.
Conference Champ> conference CO-Champ who lost head to head with other co=champ.
TCU was a proper up farce.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:56 pm to White Tiger
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It appears that the playoff committee's directive is to maximize CFB revenue rather than pick the teams that, through their performance in a given year, have merited playoff berths.
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Any thoughts?
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:58 pm to randomways
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it's too susceptible to massive special interest voting blocs favoring popular teams, with an added side benefit of probable voter fraud to the mix.
I hear you. I hope OSU gets pummeled by 'Bama. How could the committee drop TCU like that. Makes no sense. OSU has a weak team and the playoff will show that.
Um, perhaps you misunderstood. It is not a voting poll, but one based on who does best picking winners over the course of a season. At the end, they decide the playoff. How could that be fraudulent? Just curious.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:59 pm to White Tiger
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It appears that the playoff committee's directive is to maximize CFB revenue rather than pick the teams that, through their performance in a given year, have merited playoff berths.
You have to punish the Big XII for their setup. Changing the rules mid season was probably the nail in the coffin.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:00 pm to White Tiger
Committee did their job and got it right.
You knew the conspiracy kooks would come out when OSU appeared to be the leader for the 4th spot.
I'm content with the committee this year.
You knew the conspiracy kooks would come out when OSU appeared to be the leader for the 4th spot.
I'm content with the committee this year.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:01 pm to BamaELCo
Just the kind of elegance one would expect from an Alabama fan. Thank you for your input.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:02 pm to SammyTiger
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Conference Champ> conference CO-Champ who lost head to head with other co=champ.
compare with them with Baylor, then. Baylor had the best wins and their losses were about even, although Ohio St was beaten pretty soundly, at home. Baylor lost on the road. Baylor also beat Oklahoma, on the road, badly, and Kansas St. IMO, Baylor is the team getting screwed over the most, regardless of people think TCU is better. Baylor earned it the most IMO.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:06 pm to lsufball19
I agree that Baylor got jobbed. But the committee now has the precedent that head to head is just another factor. There was never any reason to put TCU ahead of Baylor. OSU has a "storied" history and a much bigger fan base so Baylor had no chance.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:06 pm to White Tiger
Sorry, forgot I was in a place of such refinement.
Seriously though, just admit your pissed because you think Bama is getting off easy by getting to play Ohio St. instead of TCU or Baylor.
Also:
21-0
21-17
38-17
20-13
Seriously though, just admit your pissed because you think Bama is getting off easy by getting to play Ohio St. instead of TCU or Baylor.
Also:
21-0
21-17
38-17
20-13
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:07 pm to BamaELCo
My sincerest apologies, Mr. Finebaum.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:17 pm to White Tiger
Is every LSU fan insistent on everything being some kind of conspiracy or something that has ulterior motives?
Where do you get "the playoff committee's directive is to maximize CFB revenue rather than pick the teams that, through their performance in a given year, have merited playoff berths."?
I take it you've been studying too much Louisiana politics.
Where do you get "the playoff committee's directive is to maximize CFB revenue rather than pick the teams that, through their performance in a given year, have merited playoff berths."?
I take it you've been studying too much Louisiana politics.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:20 pm to lsufball19
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compare with them with Baylor, then. Baylor had the best wins and their losses were about even, although Ohio St was beaten pretty soundly, at home. Baylor lost on the road. Baylor also beat Oklahoma, on the road, badly, and Kansas St. IMO, Baylor is the team getting screwed over the most, regardless of people think TCU is better. Baylor earned it the most IMO.
I think the Big 12 screwed baylor with they co-champ nonsense.
They should have pushed for Baylor as a 1 loss champ with wins over TCU, KSU and Oklahoma.
I think the Committee didn't like them hedging their bets with the Co-Champ BS
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:20 pm to White Tiger
I would push to 8 teams, then have the 5 conference champions, highest ranked G5, then 2 at large.
1st round would be played at the home sites of the top 4 seeds the weekend before Christmas, then last 2 rounds as it is now.
1st round would be played at the home sites of the top 4 seeds the weekend before Christmas, then last 2 rounds as it is now.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:20 pm to White Tiger
New system seemed to work well to me. Kept out the pretenders.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:24 pm to SammyTiger
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I think the Committee didn't like them hedging their bets with the Co-Champ BS
Sammy, I agree with this. Also, did you know that the Big XII's motto is "One true champion"? I kid you not. What a joke. They will not declare one champion in the case of a tie even though their own by-laws provide for a tie breaker system. Can you guess what the first tie-breaker is?
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:25 pm to ukraine_rebel
The problem is picking the two at large.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:29 pm to SammyTiger
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Conference Champ> conference CO-Champ who lost head to head with other co=champ. TCU was a proper up farce.
1988, LSU defeats top 5 ranked Auburn, both finish 6-1 in SEC play and share the conference championship. Who got picked to represent the conference in the Sugar Bowl only to lose to FSU?
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:32 pm to White Tiger
its not surprising at all that they put ohio state in, from a football perspective. The co-champion bullshite bit them in the arse. If they would have named baylor the champ they would have at least had a leg to stand on. TCU didnt really win their conference, and all 3 are in the same ballpark in SOS, TCU 42, Ohio State 52, Baylor 56, not like any of them stand out from that perspective. Its been pretty clear from the start that the committee was gong to place a premium on conference championships, and the big 12 is at a disadvantage anyway because they dont play a championship game like the others, and then they pulled the co-champ stunt. they deserve to be left out
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