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re: Businessweek rates the value of a college degree

Posted on 7/3/10 at 1:09 pm to
Posted by attheua
Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 7/3/10 at 1:09 pm to
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outside of law and football doesn't auburn pretty much dominate bama?


Not hardly. The only thing AU is better at (when comparing programs that both schools offer) is engineering. And that gap is shortening by the year.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 7/3/10 at 1:18 pm to
and swimming.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
27184 posts
Posted on 7/3/10 at 1:20 pm to
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and swimming.


and fight songs.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 7/3/10 at 1:21 pm to
ehh.. I like Bama's fight song better.
Posted by jso0003
Member since Jun 2009
5170 posts
Posted on 7/3/10 at 2:50 pm to
I knew people who got into bama with sub 900 SAT scores... and this was only 2 years ago.

Not saying bama is a bad school but yall are doing a terrible job of luring in top students. Sorry.

It's not exactly like our engineering department has been slacking, look what we've put up in the past few years and is being finished right now.




And that is probabaly 1/8th of what the entire new Shelby Center consists of...
Posted by jso0003
Member since Jun 2009
5170 posts
Posted on 7/3/10 at 2:59 pm to
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Alabama and Auburn are both ranked 96th in the country by USNWR. The one that matters.


Would be neat if that were true, sorry though try again.
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9539 posts
Posted on 7/3/10 at 10:53 pm to
With all due respect to Auburn which is a very solid, strong school, I`m sick and tired of the lame arse argument that Auburn is a lot harder to get into than Alabama. I graduated in the top 10% of my high school class at a relatively small private school in Alabama that had a graduating class of 70. Those 7 students went to Vandy, Rhodes, mostly Birmingham Southern, and Alabama. I attended a pro-Auburn high school too. I had some close friends that were die hard Auburn fans and very marginal students that got into Auburn. This idea that Auburn is academically elite compared to Alabama is a damn joke. You cite this ranking and the latest U.S, News rankings (which have had Auburn and Alabama ranked almost even the last 5 years also have a ranking of the top 400 universities in the world. Bama ranked #337 in the latest rankings and made the top 400 along with Vandy, Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee. Arkansas, USCe, and Kentucky were ranked in the 401 to 500 range. Auburn, according to the latest ranking, didn,t make the top 600.
Posted by jso0003
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 7/3/10 at 10:58 pm to
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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Posted on 7/3/10 at 11:20 pm to
The "bigger is better" plan will hurt bama in the longrun. In order to increase enrollment by 8000 students over a short period, they will have to lower acceptance standards. The state does not produce enough quality students to fill the needs of 3-4 20000+ student universities. Location hurts UA when it come to out of state students.
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9539 posts
Posted on 7/3/10 at 11:25 pm to
What is so funny? Everything I posted is the truth. Bama`s top 40 law school was mentioned but the Top 25 medical school wasn`t mentioned. The University of Alabama school of medicine is right there with Emory and only surpassed by Duke when it comes to med schools in the Southeast.
Posted by attheua
Tuscaloosa
Member since Apr 2008
5442 posts
Posted on 7/3/10 at 11:39 pm to
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The "bigger is better" plan will hurt bama in the longrun. In order to increase enrollment by 8000 students over a short period, they will have to lower acceptance standards. The state does not produce enough quality students to fill the needs of 3-4 20000+ student universities. Location hurts UA when it come to out of state students.


Everything in your post is wrong.

UA has not lowered acceptance standards, despite the myths you hear on AU boards. It has actually become harder to get into UA, as evidenced by the acceptance rates posted earlier in the thread (which you koolaid drinkers conveniently ignore when preaching about how difficult it is to get into AU).

UA isn't relying on in-state kids to expand the freshmen class; the growth is coming from increased applicants from GA, FL, TX, NC, etc. UA has been and will continue to enroll a larger number and larger % of out of state students who pay higher tuition amounts. The enrollment expansion is the main reason that UA is flush with cash and why our construction is making AU's capital projects look like child's play.

Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
73318 posts
Posted on 7/3/10 at 11:43 pm to
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Would be neat if that were true, sorry though try again.


This is semantics. There's very little difference in the two schools. But argue if you must.

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Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
73318 posts
Posted on 7/3/10 at 11:47 pm to
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I can't believe you actually typed that.


Alabama has thrown billions into the overhaul of the engineering department since I first stepped into a classroom in Comer Hall in the fall of 2002. The UA College of Engineering is becoming one of the best in the country.

Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
73318 posts
Posted on 7/3/10 at 11:49 pm to
quote:

The "bigger is better" plan will hurt bama in the longrun. In order to increase enrollment by 8000 students over a short period, they will have to lower acceptance standards. The state does not produce enough quality students to fill the needs of 3-4 20000+ student universities. Location hurts UA when it come to out of state students.


The growth has come from out-of-state students. The amount of top notch students enrolling at Alabama is far greater than my enrolling class of 2002. Alabama will be able to reach its goal of 38,000-40,000 students by 2025 without sacraficing acceptance rates.
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 7/3/10 at 11:53 pm to
look, everyone else thinks Auburn and Alabama are backwards thinking rednecks. Get over it.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
27184 posts
Posted on 7/3/10 at 11:53 pm to
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Alabama will be able to reach its goal of 38,000-40,000


Do you mean at just the main Tuscaloosa campus or students across the state at satellite campuses + the main campus?
Posted by attheua
Tuscaloosa
Member since Apr 2008
5442 posts
Posted on 7/4/10 at 12:03 am to
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look, everyone else thinks Auburn and Alabama are backwards thinking rednecks. Get over it.


I'd like to know what you 'think' about LSU, given what your fanbase is made of and how your school is on a fast track to tier 3.
This post was edited on 7/4/10 at 12:03 am
Posted by SwineFlu
Member since Jul 2009
1059 posts
Posted on 7/4/10 at 12:08 pm to
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Agreed. I would take my accounting degree from Bama over all other SEC schools outside of Vandy and USC. But if I wanted to be a vet, I would go to the barn. Stop getting in a pissing match over the best school and compare programs instead.


The only SEC school ranked above Arkansas in the Business Week public undergrad business rankings was Florida.

Also, Walton College is a top 25 public undergrad school according to US News - not sure where other SEC schools fall into that.

Outside of Vandy, Florida and Arkansas have the best ranked business programs in the conference.
Posted by artompkins
Orange Beach, Al
Member since May 2010
6310 posts
Posted on 7/4/10 at 12:16 pm to
I can only tell you that I graduated from South Alabama with a BS in Chemical and Biomolecular Egineering at the ripe old age of 41 and I landed a job at Cheveron making $87,000 a year that many Alabama and Auburn grads wanted badly. Not saying South is better because it is not but sometimes its not always about which school you attend.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
73318 posts
Posted on 7/4/10 at 3:04 pm to
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Do you mean at just the main Tuscaloosa campus or students across the state at satellite campuses + the main campus?


The main campus in Tuscaloosa. There's already more than that among UA, UAB, and UAH. The main campus in Tuscaloosa has grown nearly 10,000 in just over a decade. There were around 20,000 students when I enrolled in 2002. There are right at 8,000 now. It's not a stretch to reach a goal of around 38,000 by 2025. I don't think it's a "do or die" type scenario, but student population growth increases the need for newer and better facilities, which increases the validity of a degree from UA. It's a plan that people didn't like when President Witt first unvealed it in 2004, but it's been very good to UA the last seven years.
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