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re: Brian Kelly reminds me a lot of Mark Richt
Posted on 7/24/23 at 3:34 pm to DawginSC
Posted on 7/24/23 at 3:34 pm to DawginSC
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LSU had the 8th most talented team last season. The reality is while a good number of guys left with Orgeron and Orgeron left their transition class in shambles, the players he had recruited in prior seasons were in fact incredibly talented.
Like who specifically?
It's hard to find those guys outside of maybe BJ Ojulari and Jay Ward who actually were big contributors to the 2022 Tigers.
This post was edited on 7/24/23 at 3:40 pm
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Posted on 7/24/23 at 3:37 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Being a blue blood isn't worth a hill of beans in 2023.
that's largely correct sure.
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Some programs are contenders now and most aren't, Notre Dame is not a contender.
agree
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LSU is simply a better program present day than Notre Dame is.
agree with that too
My point a few posts above was..Richt got his start Day 1 as a football HC in the SEC. Kelly got to ease in in a smaller division, then 2 other 1A programs for a while, then graduate up to a blue blood. He got a shite ton of OTJ training and practice courses and exam prep and every other metaphor you can think of while richt was thrown into the fire from day 1. Yet kelly doesn't have an obviously better resume.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 3:45 pm to WG_Dawg
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My point a few posts above was..Richt got his start Day 1 as a football HC in the SEC. Kelly got to ease in in a smaller division, then 2 other 1A programs for a while, then graduate up to a blue blood. He got a shite ton of OTJ training and practice courses and exam prep and every other metaphor you can think of while richt was thrown into the fire from day 1. Yet kelly doesn't have an obviously better resume.
On the flip side, Mark Richt had more resources at his disposal in year 1 than Kelly ever had, until he got to Notre Dame.
And in some cases, he never had until he got to LSU.
Could also argue that Richt had the experience of being an assistant at an elite program under an elite HC, Kelly never had that learning experience.
This post was edited on 7/24/23 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 7/24/23 at 3:50 pm to SemperFiDawg
The Richt comparison is valid in that he has not been able to get over the home and win a Natty and that he has been very successful. Richt was a damn good coach of Georgia had not gotten Kirby they would have been in a lot of trouble.
The question for Kelly’s resume is simply undetermined as of now. If he wins at LSU his coaching career will be absolutely stellar and able to go up against anyone on any argument. TBD. Things look very promising now. The college football landscape is a very hard one to win it all in. So many good teams and programs. You almost need a little luck even if you are the best program around.
The question for Kelly’s resume is simply undetermined as of now. If he wins at LSU his coaching career will be absolutely stellar and able to go up against anyone on any argument. TBD. Things look very promising now. The college football landscape is a very hard one to win it all in. So many good teams and programs. You almost need a little luck even if you are the best program around.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 3:58 pm to DawgsLife
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It's just strange for some LSU fans to act like he started the year off with 39 scholarship players.
We don't say that. We say that he inherited a team with 19 players. And really, he had just a few more than that.
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Yeah. Did Kelly keep the ST coach or is he gone?
He was replaced but given another job. He left to be an AD somewhere else.
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That kick return we took back was surreal. At first I couldn't figure out what was going on. I get lazy and accept the players know what they are doing on the field.
Special teams were like that all season. We'll miss Polian for his talent evaluation and management, but not his coaching.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 3:58 pm to djsdawg
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How many players did lsu bring in?
32
Posted on 7/24/23 at 4:19 pm to SidewalkTiger
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On the flip side, Mark Richt had more resources at his disposal in year 1 than Kelly ever had, until he got to Notre Dame.
And in some cases, he never had until he got to LSU.
I'm not sure you're aware of the history of Mark Richt and the administration/athletic director he had to work with.
Richt was paying asst coaches out of his own pocket on more than one occasion.We were also one of the last SEC schools to build a IPF and the last of the big 6 to hire analyst and additional support staff.
Not exactly sure what ya mean by "resources"but the "support" he received from the last administration was about as piss poor as any big time CFB program in the country.
BTW in 2012 he had a grand total of 63 scholarship players and still almost played for the NC.
This post was edited on 7/24/23 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 7/24/23 at 4:23 pm to DaWGfan01
why are you fukkos so upset about the grinder killing a kid
might it be because thats instant street cred with todays student athlete demographic
hhmmmm...
might it be because thats instant street cred with todays student athlete demographic
hhmmmm...
Posted on 7/24/23 at 4:26 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Like who specifically?
It's hard to find those guys outside of maybe BJ Ojulari and Jay Ward who actually were big contributors to the 2022 Tigers.
While I don't know which guys were transfers, I look at juniors and seniors on the 2-deep like Boutte, Emery, Williams, Cain, Turner, Bradford, Roy, Gaye, Ojiulari, Baskerville, Garner, Converse and Brooks and think that many must have been Orgeron guys too. Some of the sophomores too I imagine though I didn't name those guys.
Doesn't mean they contributed before Kelly got there, but the talent was brought in by Orgeron. I know Major Burns transferred to LSU while O was the coach.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 4:36 pm to RD Dawg
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Richt was paying asst coaches out of his own pocket on more than one occasion.We were also one of the last SEC to build a IPF and the last of the big 6 to hire analyst and additional support staff.
Not exactly sure what ya mean by "resources"but the "support" he received from the last administration was about as piss poor as any big time CFB program in the country.
It's really unfair to compare the current crop of coaches to their predecessors solely because of the money.
Nowadays you can convince a good coach to come be an OC or a DC for you when they would have made more as an HC at a smaller team 10 years ago.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 4:43 pm to DawginSC
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While I don't know which guys were transfers, I look at juniors and seniors on the 2-deep like Boutte, Emery, Williams, Cain, Turner, Bradford, Roy, Gaye, Ojiulari, Baskerville, Garner, Converse and Brooks and think that many must have been Orgeron guys too. Some of the sophomores too I imagine though I didn't name those guys.
Doesn't mean they contributed before Kelly got there, but the talent was brought in by Orgeron. I know Major Burns transferred to LSU while O was the coach.
If you're looking for the elite talent in that group, it's Ojulari, Gaye and Baskerville.
Boutte and Emery are busts.
Cain, Bradford, Garner, Converse, Brooks- all transfers.
Williams was a walkon that was given a scholarship. Turner is the center because he's the only one that can manage a snap. Roy is depth. Burns couldn't make it at Georgia and he's starting for us.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 4:49 pm to DawginSC
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While I don't know which guys were transfers, I look at juniors and seniors on the 2-deep like Boutte, Emery, Williams, Cain, Turner, Bradford, Roy, Gaye, Ojiulari, Baskerville, Garner, Converse and Brooks and think that many must have been Orgeron guys too.
Boutte was super talented, never really was the same after the injury and seemed to be a locker room problem last year. Didn't contribute a ton.
Emery missed several games due to academic issues and basically was a backup most of the year. He and Boutte were two of the most talented (on paper) but weren't big contributors the majority of the season.
They were both 5 stars.
Williams is a former 2 star walk on.
Cain is a Kelly transfer.
Turner was a 3 star who is fairly undersized.
Bradford was a 4 star and good utility lineman. Started in some games in 2021 but was passed up and didn't play any of the last 5 games.
Gaye was a 3 star who went undrafted.
Baskerville was a 4 star who went undrafted.
Garner was a Kelly transfer.
Converse was a Kelly transfer.
Brooks was a Kelly transfer.
I mean it definitely wasn't an empty cupboard but a lot of these guys wouldn't have started at the elite programs.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 4:59 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Wtf are you talking about?
Posted on 7/24/23 at 6:12 pm to WG_Dawg
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Richt has come closer to winning a natty thatn kelly has.
When did Richt coach a team in the national championship game?
Posted on 7/24/23 at 6:19 pm to NotImber
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When did Richt coach a team in the national championship game?
Never. Not sure why you got a downvote.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 6:21 pm to BigNastyTiger417
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Wtf are you talking about?
Posted on 7/24/23 at 6:26 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Nice you found somebody new to give you a hard on.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 6:26 pm to wadewilson
How much do I owe for rent?
Posted on 7/24/23 at 6:29 pm to NotImber
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Richt has come closer to winning a natty thatn kelly has.
When did Richt coach a team in the national championship game?
In 2012, when he played bama down to the last 5 seconds. The same bama team that basically pulled a UGA/tcu on Notre Dame.
I would certainly call that "closer".
Posted on 7/24/23 at 6:29 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Just wait for now. You'll be able to pay for the next decade when nflsu gets out of lockup and writes you a past-due check.
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