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re: Brian Kelly can’t say that he loves beating Georgia.

Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:58 pm to
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
74859 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:58 pm to
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he biggest moves a head coach can make to win "big games" is to recruit well and hire good assistants.

Another legitimate knock on Richt.

Brian Schottenheimer, anyone?
Posted by DrewDawg13
Athens
Member since Apr 2015
3896 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:58 pm to
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Stop avoiding the questions and moving goalposts


Still waiting for you to answer anything after you have been proven wrong so much.

ND is more elite than LSU ever will be.

BK is not even close to an Elite coach.

UGA is more elite than LSU. Sorry you don't like these facts. Here are some more facts about the 2022 UGA championship that you will really enjoy...


Back to back national champions, most points in championship history, biggest blowout in championship history, biggest blowout in any bowl ever, top 5 offense and defense, beat 7 ranked teams, Average: +29.4 Scoring Margin against final top 25 teams(which is the highest of all time) all this in a rebuild year after losing 15 players to the draft and 13 to the portal. Best of all time and it's not even close!!!
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66203 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:01 pm to
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Still waiting for you to answer anything after you have been proven wrong so much.

ND is more elite than LSU ever will be.


Historically, yes.

Present day and in the lifetime of the average recruit, no.

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BK is not even close to an Elite coach.



I would say he still falls in the "very good" tier and not the "elite" tier.

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UGA is more elite than LSU. 


Historically, they're pretty close.

Present day and in the lifetime of the average recruit, Georgia would be the more "elite" program.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
40081 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:02 pm to
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Still waiting for you to answer anything after you have been proven wrong so much.

ND is more elite than LSU ever will be.

BK is not even close to an Elite coach.

UGA is more elite than LSU. Sorry you don't like these facts. Here are some more facts about the 2022 UGA championship that you will really enjoy...


Back to back national champions, most points in championship history, biggest blowout in championship history, biggest blowout in any bowl ever, top 5 offense and defense, beat 7 ranked teams, Average: +29.4 Scoring Margin against final top 25 teams(which is the highest of all time) all this in a rebuild year after losing 15 players to the draft and 13 to the portal. Best of all time and it's not even close!!!




I really just wanted this much stupidity in quotes, for posterity.

The bookmark just isn't enough.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
40081 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:04 pm to
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lsu fans taking this shite hook line and sinker


Don't confuse mockery for what it is. We know OP is full on Deliverance banjo boy retarded.
Posted by Uga Alum
Member since Jul 2022
5611 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:08 pm to
We were supposed to finish 7-5 in 2022. Don’t give me that excuse.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
103909 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:10 pm to
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BK is not even close to an Elite coach.


I would say he still falls in the "very good" tier and not the "elite" tier.

Brian Kelly is a program and culture builder. That's what LSU so desperately needed after what Orgeron left behind.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66203 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:13 pm to
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We were supposed to finish 7-5 in 2022. Don’t give me that excuse.


Lie.

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Vegas Insider recently named its win total predictions for the top teams in the nation, setting Georgia's over/under at 10.5 points this season.

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Georgia comes in with 13/4 odds to repeat as national champions, the second-best odds of any team in college football after Alabama (2/1)


LINK
Posted by Uga Alum
Member since Jul 2022
5611 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:18 pm to
The media said we were toast after losing 15 players in the draft. Has LSU ever had 15 players drafted in one draft?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26028 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:18 pm to
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Just my opinion but I think the average fan overblows the effect of a head coach on a single game.

I presume you are referencing 4th down playcalls and fakes?

Right now, Georgia is winning the game week. And that is dictated by the head coach on down.

I get what you are saying but disagree.
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We're seeing it here with "Kelly can't win big games."

Now this part I can agree with you.
"Peyton Manning" can't win the big one. Until he does. Bobby Bowden/Joe Paterno/Tom Osborne can't win the big one... until they do.
I agree that it is a tired, lazy narrative that literally applies to every individual... until they do.
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People said the same thing about Richt and they compared Kirby to Richt up until 2021.

Yup. Case in point.
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The biggest difference that I see between Richt and Kirby is Kirby is stacking much more talent than Richt ever seemed to which definitely helps you win more "big games."


It isn't just talent (high 4 and 5 stars). It is better talent evaluation (2, 3, and low 4 stars).
It is using the talent to create a culture where the week's preparation is more demanding on the body than Saturdays.
And lastly. It is keeping coaches accountable (1 year with Coley as OC. Not giving Chaney the raise. Sending Hankton packing to LSU).
Posted by Imber
Member since Sep 2017
17436 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:19 pm to
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ND is more elite than LSU ever will be.


You keep repeating this as if it's fact. Historically, Notre Dame is superior than LSU. They are Top 5 all time in wins; however, LSU has won 3 national championships in football since Notre Dame won its last one. LSU's facilities and support are vastly superior to Notre Dame's. Last time I checked LSU was in the Top 10 of programs who spend the most on football on an annual basis. Notre Dame isn't even in the Top 25. Their idea of a nutrition center is feeding their players microwave pizza. It's one of the reasons Kelly came to LSU.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7613 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:21 pm to
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That was the biggest game of the season for LSU.


So, the game against Bama was the biggest game... not the one that could have won him a SEC championship or the game before that which could have made it so had he won the SEC championship his team could make the playoff?

Interesting viewpoint.

I'll continue to say regular season games are less important than NYC/BCS bowls, conference championship games or playoff games.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
40081 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:26 pm to
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Sending Hankton packing to LSU


Curious example, as he's doing well at LSU.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66203 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:30 pm to
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The media said we were toast after losing 15 players in the draft. Has LSU ever had 15 players drafted in one draft?






The media says a lot of things.

You had the second best odds to win a title though.

Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26028 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:31 pm to
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Curious example, as he's doing well at LSU.

It was the opposite at UGA.
He lost the room. Got pretty ugly.
Posted by Uga Alum
Member since Jul 2022
5611 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:32 pm to
Not only were we doubted preseason, in the middle of the season everyone was gifting the East to Tennessee. This was definitely supposed to be a rebuilding year for us and we went 15-0.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7613 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:38 pm to
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There's only one season of data at LSU to judge from.


Kelly has been a coach for 30 years.

Richt didn't start winning big games at Miami after not doing so at UGA.

Muschamp didn't start winning big games at South Carolina after not doing so at Florida.

Meyer won big games at Bowling Green and Utah before winning them at Florida and then Ohio State.

We have 30 years worth of coaching to look at for Kelly, 20 at the division 1 level. The reality is he was elite at division 2, but hasn't won big games in division 1. If he starts to do so at LSU, it will be a surprise.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
40081 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 3:13 pm to
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but hasn't won big games in division 1. If he starts to do so at LSU, it will be a surprise


Again, playing Alabama is a big game, and it would only be a surprise to someone with as dull of perception as you.

He's improved every program he's coached at. Great coaches do better at great programs than they do at good programs, and LSU always has a chance to be elite. Notre Dame does not.

At the time of his hiring, Kelly was easily the best coach LSU had ever hired, and he's already got the program well ahead of schedule.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66203 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 3:21 pm to
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Richt didn't start winning big games at Miami after not doing so at UGA.

Muschamp didn't start winning big games at South Carolina after not doing so at Florida.



Well yeah.

Miami is not a more elite program than Georgia and South Carolina is not a more elite program than Florida.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
103909 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 3:35 pm to
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Well yeah.

Miami is not a more elite program than Georgia and South Carolina is not a more elite program than Florida.

These are the kind of people that yall are dealing with in this thread. It's beyond comical and I even realize that most of it is trolling.
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