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re: Brent Venables gets new 6 year contract
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:41 am to DhanTigers212
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:41 am to DhanTigers212
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16-10 Head Coaching Record
0-2 Bowl Games
Extension worthy?
Missouri just backed up the Brink's truck to the tune of over 9.5 million per year over at Eli Drinkwitz's house for a 28-21 record in 4 years. In the SEC, overpaying head coaches is a long-held and treasured tradition.
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:44 am to Dawgfanman
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No where is mediocrity rewarded more than college football coaching
NFL Quarterback contracts are way worse, IMO.
Trevor Lawrence just became the highest paid NFL player of all time.
Prior to Lawrence, it was Joe Burrow.
Deshawn Watson, who completed less than 60% of his passes last year, was guaranteed $230 Mil from the Browns.
Etc. etc.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:49 am to OU Guy
Jimmy Sexton remains undefeated.
Like who on earth did he convince OU they’d be bidding against?
That man is still making bank riding on a “recruits must think you’ll be here for all of your tenure”, when both 1)college kids can go wherever they want and 2) Coaches are getting fired with 8 years and $70M left on the contract the recruit was looking at.
And still, ADs and BORs are flinching whenever Jimmy Sexton picks up the phone.
It’s amazing.
Like who on earth did he convince OU they’d be bidding against?
That man is still making bank riding on a “recruits must think you’ll be here for all of your tenure”, when both 1)college kids can go wherever they want and 2) Coaches are getting fired with 8 years and $70M left on the contract the recruit was looking at.
And still, ADs and BORs are flinching whenever Jimmy Sexton picks up the phone.
It’s amazing.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:49 am to Tuscaloosa
Venables’ contract was originally six years for $43.5 million ($7.2M per year) that carried through the 2027 season. This new deal is essentially a two-year extension with an increase in pay due to inflation and the move to the SEC.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:51 am to OU Guy
They should've waited until December to see how he fares in the SEC.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:56 am to TexasOnTop
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It will be interesting to see the opinion on this next year. If I remember correctly OU is going into this season with a new OC and DC, new QB and an entirely new offensive line.
Like Alabama did last year?
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:59 am to 20ag07
quote:There was a thread about must successful SEC alumni and his name didn't come up for UTK.
Jimmy Sexton remains undefeated.
I mean this guy lucked into having Reggie White as a roommate, and now he grips every major college football program by the balls, even if they don't employ one of his clients.
And he does it without being a public blowhard like Scott Boras or Drew Rosenhaus.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 11:10 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:13 am to terriblegreen
I firmly believe that objective, learned observers probably can look through a record like his and discern whether he appears to have what it takes to rebuild and succeed. Not with precision, but perhaps reasonably enough to make a move like this.
The problems:
- The people making these calls are not objective and they're often not subject matter experts and there is no way to really purge out wishful thinking and homerism.
- There's also no way to account for the reality that programs are incredibly risk averse and make irrational decisions as a result
- As an ancillary point to the above that extends to the rest of us, all that irrationality creates a system whereby coaches with merely mediocre performance are feared likely to jump even in the absence of realistic competitors. It drives up the market for the rest of the country and makes everyone else guard their own mediocre coach like he's a coveted commodity.
The problems:
- The people making these calls are not objective and they're often not subject matter experts and there is no way to really purge out wishful thinking and homerism.
- There's also no way to account for the reality that programs are incredibly risk averse and make irrational decisions as a result
- As an ancillary point to the above that extends to the rest of us, all that irrationality creates a system whereby coaches with merely mediocre performance are feared likely to jump even in the absence of realistic competitors. It drives up the market for the rest of the country and makes everyone else guard their own mediocre coach like he's a coveted commodity.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:37 am to OU Guy
This can’t be true! I was told on this same very site that OU was hiring Heupel. I guess Heup turned y’all down.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:42 am to Dawgfanman
[quote]No where is mediocrity rewarded more than college football coaching[/quote
I love these type posts. Since when is winning 3 titles with 2 different programs mediocre?
“But he’s never done it as HC”. Does any same person think his footprint wasn’t all over those programs? And his culture as DC making a difference? Like all the sudden he lost all ability to do same as HC?
He builds for the long run not the short term. Defense is what wins titles, look at all Riley had and he still couldn’t win. At Clemson it took him 3 years to get his D in top 5 and then kept it there. His experience playing SEC teams there was important for his current team and direction. But you can’t just stamp fingers and get the D players you have to work hard to get and teach them. His D is complicated but works.
Lets look at some stats at Clemson. 3rd down conversion rate is a biggie.
Brent arrived at Clemson in Jan 2012:
11-12 68th
12-13 25
13-14 4
14-15 3
15-16 3
16-17 5
17-18 6
18-19 5
Look at what he did. And I’d argue he had better players when he arrived than OU had.
I think he’s going to work hard and be competitive. With new scheduling in a super conf, no one is going to be unblemished. But he’ll have the D in top shape by 25 season.
I love these type posts. Since when is winning 3 titles with 2 different programs mediocre?
“But he’s never done it as HC”. Does any same person think his footprint wasn’t all over those programs? And his culture as DC making a difference? Like all the sudden he lost all ability to do same as HC?
He builds for the long run not the short term. Defense is what wins titles, look at all Riley had and he still couldn’t win. At Clemson it took him 3 years to get his D in top 5 and then kept it there. His experience playing SEC teams there was important for his current team and direction. But you can’t just stamp fingers and get the D players you have to work hard to get and teach them. His D is complicated but works.
Lets look at some stats at Clemson. 3rd down conversion rate is a biggie.
Brent arrived at Clemson in Jan 2012:
11-12 68th
12-13 25
13-14 4
14-15 3
15-16 3
16-17 5
17-18 6
18-19 5
Look at what he did. And I’d argue he had better players when he arrived than OU had.
I think he’s going to work hard and be competitive. With new scheduling in a super conf, no one is going to be unblemished. But he’ll have the D in top shape by 25 season.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:47 am to OU Guy
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Since when is winning 3 titles with 2 different programs mediocre?
It’s generous of you to pay him so much for work he was already paid for..
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“But he’s never done it as HC”. Does any same person think his footprint wasn’t all over those programs? And his culture as DC making a difference? Like all the sudden he lost all ability to do same as HC?
I think there is a better than 50/50 chance you fire him within 4 years..
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He builds for the long run not the short term.
Does he? Isn’t this his first job as an HC? Maybe he will, maybe he won’t. He wouldn’t be the first great assistant coach to fail as HC.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:53 am to OU Guy
I love when OU fans claim Clemson wins as BV wins
I actually saw when they hired him they had the only HC in the B12 that’s won a NC
I actually saw when they hired him they had the only HC in the B12 that’s won a NC
Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:55 am to dallastiger55
OU fans don't claim clemson wins as OU wins. Thats not a thing.
Each of the Kansas school coaches have won multiple natties.
Each of the Kansas school coaches have won multiple natties.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 11:56 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:00 pm to OU Guy
One thing I'll never do is take advise from a some of you about Coaches.
Oklahoma has had great success with long term coaches unlike most other schools that fire them every four years.
In the last 50+ years We've fired one Coach and two resigned in the 90's in a five year period.
Switzer - 18 Years
The 90's
Stoops - 18 Years
The Bitch Out West - 5 Years
Venalbles - 2 Years
Oklahoma has had great success with long term coaches unlike most other schools that fire them every four years.
In the last 50+ years We've fired one Coach and two resigned in the 90's in a five year period.
Switzer - 18 Years
The 90's
Stoops - 18 Years
The Bitch Out West - 5 Years
Venalbles - 2 Years
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:02 pm to OU Guy
Damn. OU going to go broke paying his buyout in 18 months.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:02 pm to OU Guy
I think this is smart.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:08 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Damn. OU going to go broke paying his buyout in 18 months.
2-year extension and a $400k raise
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:09 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Damn. OU going to go broke paying his buyout in 18 months.
We don't have your history of failure, or the coaching carousel that comes with it.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:41 pm to dallastiger55
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I love when OU fans claim Clemson wins as BV wins
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
No one claimed those titles. The discussion is what BV contributed to and learned from those titles. His background is relevant to the discussion.
When OU hired Bob Stoops, I knew right then we’d be in title hunt based off his Florida Gators DC job and helping them win a title. OU fans never claimed that title but understood his pedigree came from that time. Same as BV, he has 3 titles as DC and if you think that doesn't matter thats fine.
But I think it matters because to win it all you have to have a great culture and more. The culture must believe in their coaches.
Anyways, it was not a massive raise and only 2 more years. The reporter overhyped his post and likely to get clicks.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 12:46 pm to OU Guy
gonna age really poorly in the SEC. thanks for cementing your spot below us in the conference.
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