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re: Boom's first three years at UF vs. a couple of anonymous coaches
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:06 pm to WheelRoute
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:06 pm to WheelRoute
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Was it attrition? Poor recruiting to fill needs? I don't think I've ever seen it explained. TIA.
BOTH. Transfers, the boot, and no OL recruiting. On top of that the personnel was better suited for the spread, and not for what Will wanted to run.
Boom has made many mistakes, but I think he is going in the right direction.
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:11 pm to austingator
FWIW I posted before the season started that I thought FL would be a good team this year and I still believe that. I just don't understand the need to justify his tenure by diminishing the state of the program. Comparing Oklahoma State before Miles and Michigan State before Saban to Florida before Muschamp is pure silliness.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:11 pm to DamnStrong1860
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In the three years prior to Miles' arrival in Stillwater, the Cowboys finished 5–6, 5–6, and 3–8.
11 of the 12 seasons prior to Miles' arrival in Stillwater were losing seasons and Oklahoma had just won yet another national title.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:12 pm to WheelRoute
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Can a knowledgeable poster explain how Meyer left the cupboard bare?
UF's recruiting rankings:
07: #1
08: #3
09: #11
10: #2
Well let's take Urban's 2010 class for example (guys who should have been upperclassmen this year and last). Out of 27 signees:
Gerald Christian - transferred
Robert Clark - transferred
Adrian Coxson - transferred
Jonathan Dowling - transferred
Chris Dunkley - transferred
Jordan Haden - transferred
Michael McFarland - transferred
Lynden Trail - transferred
Josh Shaw - transferred
Cody Riggs - transferred
Ian Silberman - transferred
Tyler Murphy - transferred
Neiron Ball - serious health issues prevented him from contributing until this year
Gideon Ajagbe - wasn't an SEC caliber player
Chaz Green - season ending injury last year
Dominique Easley - season ending injury last year
Sharrif Floyd - left early for NFL
Matt Elam - left early for NFL
That's basically an entire recruiting class that would have been upperclassmen this year and last that didn't contribute at all.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:17 pm to WheelRoute
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Can a knowledgeable poster explain how Meyer left the cupboard bare?
UF's recruiting rankings:
07: #1
08: #3
09: #11
10: #2
Was it attrition? Poor recruiting to fill needs? I don't think I've ever seen it explained. TIA.
This has been my thing for a while -- he did leave the cupboard bare......
If you use a pro-style offense. Since none of the players were actually fit for that offense. For whatever reason he had a hard on for that philosophy from the very beginning without realizing that Florida hasn't been a pro-style team or recruited that way for over something like 30 years.
A lot of Florida fans love to blame everything on Meyer -- who made us relevant again. Muschamp just wasn't that smart of a dude coming into the program and thought things were going to go a lot different.
Unfortunately, having never played, coached or dealt with an offense his philosophy gave us the worst year we've had in a long time.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:17 pm to Larry
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FWIW I posted before the season started that I thought FL would be a good team this year and I still believe that. I just don't understand the need to justify his tenure by diminishing the state of the program. Comparing Oklahoma State before Miles and Michigan State before Saban to Florida before Muschamp is pure silliness.
But by Urban's own admission Florida was broken. He knew it and gave that lame family excuse and left.
I'm not justifying. Last season had a reason- the injuries last year were freaky bad luck. His first two years- he made significant mistakes (Weis), but he has been recruiting his arse off to fix it. There were a lot of transfers and malcontent.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:17 pm to xenythx
Road, I'll give you Kiffin if he gets one of those HC jobs. If anyone can do it. It will be him and only God knows why. 
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:20 pm to roadGator
Here's a better comparison for you.
Boom:
7-6, 11-2, 4-8 - 22-16 (year 4: 2-0 to date)
Anonymous 1:
8-4, 13-1, 11-3 - 32-8 (year 4: 10-2)
Anonymous 2:
6-7, 9-4, 9-4 - 24-15 (year 4: 3-0 to date)
All 3 of the above had their first three years as head coaches in the SEC East. All 3 of the above were coordinators in other conferences at the time they were given their first head coaching job (at a SEC East school). Anonymous 2 is no longer in the SEC.
Boom:
7-6, 11-2, 4-8 - 22-16 (year 4: 2-0 to date)
Anonymous 1:
8-4, 13-1, 11-3 - 32-8 (year 4: 10-2)
Anonymous 2:
6-7, 9-4, 9-4 - 24-15 (year 4: 3-0 to date)
All 3 of the above had their first three years as head coaches in the SEC East. All 3 of the above were coordinators in other conferences at the time they were given their first head coaching job (at a SEC East school). Anonymous 2 is no longer in the SEC.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:22 pm to austingator
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Boom has made many mistakes, but I think he is going in the right direction.
And this is the narrative to follow. He's changing -- a lot of head coaches don't do that, but when a coach can admit his faults and change his entire outlook on a program when something doesn't work that's a sign of good things to come.
He made horrible, stupid mistakes but correcting himself is a fantastic attribute to have.
I just have to wonder if Roper is successful, if he'll be the only reason the team is going to do well.
Our defense has never needed help (in contemporary times) and so if our status improves because of his tenure, we may still need to consider other HC's.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:25 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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If you use a pro-style offense. Since none of the players were actually fit for that offense. For whatever reason he had a hard on for that philosophy from the very beginning without realizing that Florida hasn't been a pro-style team or recruited that way for over something like 30 years.
Knowing as little as do about Florida, this sounds like a very plausible explanation for how last year unfolded.
Muschamp will probably go back to being defensive coordinator after all is said and done in Gainesville. One has to wonder what Texas would look like right now if Muschamp had stuck around to succeed Mack.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:32 pm to BrerTiger
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Knowing as little as do about Florida, this sounds like a very plausible explanation for how last year unfolded.
Yeah last year was the worst because we just ran out of talent on Oline as well -- injuries didn't help but with a Pro-Style offense you need a super disciplined team...
Something we also haven't had at Florida since a decade or something -- which isn't a secret.
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Muschamp will probably go back to being defensive coordinator after all is said and done in Gainesville. One has to wonder what Texas would look like right now if Muschamp had stuck around to succeed Mack.
My real problem was addressed a little above: If we get success on offense, I'd much rather have that dude as a head coach. The defense runs itself, the talent out there has always been good. What we need is a good offense to move the sticks and that's it.
Muschamp ain't that kinda guy. So if Roper leaves, I don't want to see our program suck balls the next year afterwards.
It's tough, because I want Muschamp to succeed but I know he won't be the reason we succeed in the end -- it'll always be the skill of the OC. He may get another HC job, but if he sucks it up this year it's totally out of the question.
Probably go be Georgia's DC.....
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:36 pm to roadGator
Its like comparing the drag race record of someone who got a farrari to someone who get a for taurus.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:42 pm to SammyTiger
The reason I haven't completely given up on Muschamp is because that 2012 team was not an 11-win team based on talent and the rough schedule we faced. But somehow he was able to squeeze enough out of that team to win 11 against one of the toughest schedules in the nation.
I think he's shown glimpses of what he's capable of but his offensive hires and results have been abysmal so far.
I think he's shown glimpses of what he's capable of but his offensive hires and results have been abysmal so far.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:42 pm to roadGator
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My opinion is that if he doesn't win 8 AND beat UG, I would want him to pack it up and head out. That would be disappointing because I'm rooting for him.
i think he stays if he goes 8-3 regular season regardless of what happens with uga.
thats still a tall order.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:46 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
What is the number for Foley win wise or is there one? Right now you guys control your on destiny to the playoffs...yes very early. Bama, LSU in the west and UGA, UT, SC, Mizzou, and Vandy(you win this for sure) one more cupcake and FSU.
For a coach trying to keep his job, this is a nightmare.
For a coach trying to keep his job, this is a nightmare.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:48 pm to NotRight37
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What is the number for Foley win wise or is there one? Right now you guys control your on destiny to the playoffs...yes very early. Bama, LSU in the west and UGA, UT, SC, Mizzou, and Vandy(you win this for sure) one more cupcake and FSU.
For a coach trying to keep his job, this is a nightmare.
I think Foley will accept 8 wins, but he has to lose the right ones. If he loses to UT, that might do him in. There is no reason that UT should have been able to rebuild faster than us.
Also a 4th straight loss to Georgia will turn the heat up real quick and he might not be able to recover.
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:50 pm to NotRight37
Foley would never put that number out there. It's all guessing as to what he's thinking but my gut says 8 wins and beat UG. Otherwise, I have my doubts. Foley knows he can't wish Boom success. Boom has to create his own success.
He's already 0-3 versus UG. He loses again this year he'd have to be here 8 years just to break even. That won't fly.
He's already 0-3 versus UG. He loses again this year he'd have to be here 8 years just to break even. That won't fly.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:53 pm to NotRight37
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What is the number for Foley win wise or is there one? Right now you guys control your on destiny to the playoffs...yes very early. Bama, LSU in the west and UGA, UT, SC, Mizzou, and Vandy(you win this for sure) one more cupcake and FSU.
For a coach trying to keep his job, this is a nightmare.
The consensus is 8 wins, personally I'd give him 7 with a win over Georgia with the stipulation that he: Is at least close in every one of his games, or the team shows up to play.
We have to lose some games, it's just that simple. If we lose by a little, I'd give him seven.
If we lose with several blowouts, time to send him packing.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:57 pm to roadGator
Ron Zook had a better first 3 years at UF than muschamp. That says everything.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:59 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I'm not sure I could stay on his side with only 7 wins.
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