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re: BOOM! WSU's Response To Players That Support PAC-12 Player's Demands

Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:03 am to
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61698 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:03 am to
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Ya think? Wonder why they haven't been competitive?

I don't think things will get this bad
with frat ball in the SEC but if we do have "regular" students to fill FB rosters,schools with much lower standards
will play a much higher quality of FB.


A talent drop across the board doesn't cause what you're describing happened to the Ivy League.

Again, there will always be players.

The entire premise is that PeeJay says people wouldn't watch Tulane's level players at LSU but if that were to happen, Tulane would be playing JUCO players, they wouldnt keep the same level of talent.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 8:06 am
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27837 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:09 am to
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Football players dont work any harder than any other athlete, they just play a more popular sport


Agree with this.

Had a swimmer as on of my roommates back in college.Practice schedule and training was grueling.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61698 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:17 am to
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Had a swimmer as on of my roommates back in college.Practice schedule and training was grueling.


And a lot of those kids dont get the benefits of full scholarships
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27837 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:02 am to
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talent drop across the board doesn't cause what you're describing happened to the Ivy League.


Sure it is along with 1 platoon and 2 platoon rule changes.FB was a big money maker for those schools and there was lots
of shady shite going on to recruit the best
players.

quote:

Tulane would be playing JUCO players, they wouldnt keep the same level of talent


And schools like Southern Miss,Memphis and
HBCU's would be playing at P5 levels compared to other schools that have much higher standards IF your premise is based off signing up regular students to play. I MIGHT go to a game or two but I'm not wasting my time watching an inferior product on TV.
Posted by AllDawgCK
Athens
Member since Oct 2017
2398 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:21 am to
I have never seen so many down votes. Wooow
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:54 am to
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This is only true due to the loyalty of fans of their respective universities. You take that away and the market falls apart. At least that's the way it would be for me. I'm still watching UGA football no matter who the players are. I won't give a shite about any NFL minor league and won't watch it.


I would still follow UGA football but if there were, say, 20 minor league teams across the country where the top talent with a shot at the NFL played one another CFB would not have the following it does now because a lot of that following is a regional thing and the fans have no ties to the university. CFB would look more like it did before money made it what it is today and that would be a good thing for the sport and the Universities....basically play with what you got.

There is still a market for Junior College Football, the Ivy League, Division 2 or whatever its called today....that will never go away because a minor league NFL team in Birmingham, say affiliated with the Falcons, Saints, Panthers and Jaguars, would not be the same market for what is going on in Tuscaloosa on Saturday....when Auburn and Alabama are playing on a Saturday night it would still be televised and probably draw 80K people or whatever it draws now...but the game between the NFL minor league teams played in Birmingham on the same day would be a nation wide TV draw where the iron bowl would be what it should be an that is a regional draw in the south. There are entire swaths of the nation with huge population centers where the NFL is far more popular than CFB is....the majority of the NE and the Western US...I live in Washington State...I hear it from people all season long about the "damned SEC being on every channel....". I don't hesitate to point out that if there were any interest outside of Washington for WSU Football it would be broadcast in Florida in prime time...but it ain't. The rest of the nation is not as enamored with CFB as we are in the south...partly because most CFB played outside of the south is garbage and about on par with a big high school game in the south.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61698 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:55 am to
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Sure it is along with 1 platoon and 2 platoon rule changes.FB was a big money maker for those schools and there was lots
of shady shite going on to recruit the best
players.


Desegregation hurt the Ivy League more than anything, it wasnt an overall talent drop.

quote:

And schools like Southern Miss,Memphis and
HBCU's would be playing at P5 levels compared to other schools that have much higher standards IF your premise is based off signing up regular students to play. I MIGHT go to a game or two but I'm not wasting my time watching an inferior product on TV.


No they wouldnt.

Regular students wouldnt be playing because all football players wouldnt never on strike or to a minor league.

Even if the top 200 players in the country went on strike or to a minor league, the current powers would still be the powers.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61698 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:00 am to
If there were a minor league, it would have plenty of guys who arent eligible to play college anymore but not quite NFL caliber.

The league wouldnt be entirely composed of kids who went straight there from high school unless it was regulated as so, in that case you'd be basically replacing college football and then I'd agree with your comment.

There's no reason for the NFL to do that though and its hard for an independent league to stay viable thru the first few start up years.

Baseball's minor leagues take a lot more high school kids than a football version would and the product of college baseball doesn't suffer.

This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 10:02 am
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:02 am to
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And a lot of those kids dont get the benefits of full scholarships

Because they don't generate enough money in the free market

You sympathize with non producers that don't earn enough in the free Market, yet you scorn the high achievers that produce and earn tons of profits and tons of cash in the Free Market, and play their Sport at such a high level that the impartial TV Execs validate their excellence & success by writing huge checks to Televise their Sports

I wonder why?

Tell your damn swimmer to create more excitement, that's what American viewers want
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61698 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:03 am to
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Because they don't generate enough money in the free market

You sympathize with non producers that don't earn enough in the free Market, yet you scorn the high achievers that produce and earn tons of profits and tons of cash in the Free Market, and play their Sport at such a high level that the impartial TV Execs validate their excellence & success by writing huge checks to Televise their Sports

I wonder why?

Tell your damn swimmer to create more excitement, that's what American viewers want


Nice melt, I never said they deserved full scholarships though, I just said they work as hard as any other athlete without many of the benefits.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61698 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:09 am to
Also odd that you're defending these player's demands by saying non producing sports should be cut yet their demands are 100% against that.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
98673 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:13 am to
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I wonder why?

Tell your damn swimmer to create more excitement, that's what American viewers want

I love that you keep spouting this race bullshite. Women's basketball and Track & Field are obviously dominated by white athletes.

Why aren't these your examples of the lesser sports?

I wonder why?
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:14 am to
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Baseball's minor leagues take a lot more high school kids than a football version would and the product of college baseball doesn't suffer.

You feel this way because you have never experienced the alternative, MLB has always had their own Minor League System, think of the alternative Universe, where 100% of the Top HS Players were funneled into the College System and had to stay 3 yrs, imagine how much better and exciting College Baseball would be

Your comments are based only on what you have lived through, imagine College Baseball where the Mike Trouts and the A Rods have to play College Baseball for 3 years because there is no Minor League alternative

If that happened, College Baseball would have different and larger TV Deals and every campus that plays P5 baseball would have 35-40K seat baseball Facilities, and tons more Money would flow into College Baseball, like I have always said, the money eventually follows the Talent

The reason you feel the way you do above is that you never experienced anything else

Money follows the Talent, always has
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 10:15 am
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:19 am to
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I love that you keep spouting this race bullshite. Women's basketball and Track & Field are obviously dominated by white athletes. ?

Why aren't these your examples of the lesser sports?

I wonder why?

Why is it when I ask "I wonder why?", you default to some sort of reply involving racism

I honestly wonder why money losing NonRev Athletes are so beloved vs those that produce Tons of Money, I was under the impression that America liked high achievers
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
98673 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:24 am to
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Why is it when I ask "I wonder why?", you default to some sort of reply involving racism

Because you only infer to what white people want when you ask the question. It's completely obvious what you're doing. Again, you used the swimming team as the example and called it "your swimming team" as if we're all too dumb to know what you're talking about.

Your posts are filled with your racism everyday on here and it shows that you believe that others think the same way you think. Just because your ways of thinking are all race related doesn't mean that everyone else's are.
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:26 am to
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Also odd that you're defending these player's demands by saying non producing sports should be cut yet their demands are 100% against that

You also left out the fact that I have written in earlier posts that money losing Sports be given 5 years of grace period to grow their Sport and sell more tickets, earn better TV Ads and Sponsors and become more self sufficient, no mention of that

Still amazed that you have so much sympathy for welfare sucking leeches in the College Athl Depts, but you don't have the same sympathy for those needing welfare in American society

Here it comes:

I wonder why?
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
98673 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:29 am to
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Still amazed that you have so much sympathy for welfare sucking leeches in the College Athl Depts, but you don't have the same sympathy for those needing welfare in American society

Are you suggesting that the players ar Colorado State and Wake Forest get paid the same as the players at Bama, Ohio State and LSU?
Posted by LCTFAN
New Iberia
Member since Mar 2013
2829 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:29 am to
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PeeJayScammedGT

quote:

You are very unforgiving on those that clearly EXCEL, FB & MBB gross $6 billion each yr at the Power5 schools, you're unforgiving towards them, but you sure do go easy on the laggards that don't generate shite

I wonder why?


I told you
Amateur sports, student athletes.

They are supposed to go to school and get educated.

College sports did not start as a training ground to riches for the elite athletes. What about the players that never step foot on a NFL field or NBA court or even a major league diamond. These athletes are there for an education and you are missing the whole point of Amateur Student Athletes.

The sports were never designed to take kids away from their studies and over work them.

We are not that far apart as you think, you want larger stipends for the major sports because there is so much money made. I believe more and more money going to everyone is leading the sport down a very slippery path with the schools having the best facilities and the most money will just dominate even more than they do now.

You might as well do away with the season and have a playoff between 16 teams because this will be the new norm.

Respect your opinion however I disagree with player having demands and ultimatums or conditions in regards to the moneys owed, for health then they should have imput
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61698 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:29 am to
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The reason you feel the way you do above is that you never experienced anything else

Money follows the Talent, always has


I agree, if we were starting at ground zero but we arent.

Minor league baseball has been around since 1901, thus college baseball never really got off the ground in much of the country.

Also, you're forgetting that an 18 year old can go play minor league baseball against 28 year olds and be competitive, very few 18 year olds will be able to play minor league football against 28 year olds and be competitive.

Also, why would the NFL even pay for all of this?
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 10:31 am
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61698 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:32 am to
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Still amazed that you have so much sympathy for welfare sucking leeches in the College Athl Depts, but you don't have the same sympathy for those needing welfare in American society

Here it comes:

I wonder why?


I don't have sympathy for those sports.

The Pac-12 athletes making these demands do.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 10:32 am
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