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re: BOOM! WSU's Response To Players That Support PAC-12 Player's Demands
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:29 am to lsufball19
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:29 am to lsufball19
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So boosters should start paying the players now as a matter of policy?
You said there wasn't money "laying" around.There obviously is if they wanna get rid of a coach bad enough.
Dude,the money I'm advocating is the salary of a top DC or OC.Dont see why this bothers you so much..
Did you think COA stipends were gonna break the bank in '15? I would bet you had the exact same reaction.
So what do you think SEC Schools should do with the additional $20 million annually they're about to get?
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:29 am to 3down10
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Speaking of learning something, here's something you need to learn. Revenue is not profit. Revenue is the money generated before expenses.
Profits for most companies is a small % of the total revenue generated. For college football, the profits are 0. All the revenue that is generated is used to pay for the programs, improve the facilities, bring in better coaches, better healthcare people, better physical trainers, better food, more entertainment areas for players, better equipment, and the list keeps going. It's all to the benefit of the players right down to the free education that others pay for.
Even then, most of those in your article still rely heavily on donations.
As many times as I have pointed to welfare Title-IX & Non-Rev Sports that don't generate a damn thing, but incur massive losses with no demands to ever be profitable, then it should be obvious that I know the difference between Revenue and net Profit
My issue is that no demand is ever made for the sports to be solvent, the ADs choose to continue to finance money losing Sports and never put a foot in anyone's arse and demand that they perform better financially
My solution is to give the Money losers even less and cut their coaching salaries to the bone until they turn a Profit
Do you really believe that some of these Non Revenue coaches deserve salaries that pay $300K to $600K per year and they can't sell a ticket to save their life, the only attendance is Parents & relatives
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:38 am to RD Dawg
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You said there wasn't money "laying" around
At the schools, it's not. So because rich people have money in their personal bank account, we now are to apply that to the available resources a school can employ as a matter of policy? Interesting theory.
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There obviously is if they wanna get rid of a coach bad enough.
Right, and when NIL kicks in, those same guys can pay players for their likeness if said player is marketable. What's your point?
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Dude,the money I'm advocating is the salary of a top DC or OC.Dont see why this bothers you so much..
Did you think COA stipends were gonna break the bank in '15? I would bet you had the exact same reaction.
I don't recall every arguing against throwing a couple more grand at players. I've only argued against giving them a revenue share of media deals and/or a salary of 40-60K like peejay has been bleeding all over the board the past week
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:41 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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As many times as I have pointed to welfare Title-IX & Non-Rev Sports that don't generate a damn thing, but incur massive losses with no demands to ever be profitable, then it should be obvious that I know the difference between Revenue and net Profit
This sentence doesn't at all demonstrate you know the difference. That you think it does more demonstrates that you don't.
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My issue is that no demand is ever made for the sports to be solvent, the ADs choose to continue to finance money losing Sports and never put a foot in anyone's arse and demand that they perform better financially
My solution is to give the Money losers even less and cut their coaching salaries to the bone until they turn a Profit
So you are upset because college sports aren't for profit and you want them to be?
Or is it another demonstration that you don't understand the differences between revenue and profit?
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Do you really believe that some of these Non Revenue coaches deserve salaries that pay $300K to $600K per year and they can't sell a ticket to save their life, the only attendance is Parents & relatives
Why would I give a shite what a school spends on a coach?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:43 am to lsufball19
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You also continue to ignore the difference between net and gross revenue. About 1/2 of the P5 roughly breaks even or loses money every year from athletics. How do you reconcile that? Breach coaching contracts? Cut all non-revenue sports and tell those student athletes to kick rocks? Stop providing amenities for the football/basketball programs? Stop investing money into the actual university, you know that place that provides the platform for the players and the actual reason most of them are there. There isn’t some mysterious pool of money lying around in a bank account to pay these guys
If all these P5 Athl Depts are claiming poverty ,explain how the Facilities Arms race is able to continue
Explain how barely break-even Athl Depts are able to keep up with exploding Coaching salaries
An example:
12 years ago the absolute best OLine Coach (with no OC duties) was lucky to get $300K on a 1 yr renewable deal, in just 12 short years the best OLine Coaches (with no OC duties) get $1.5 million deals with 3 yrs guaranteed with buyouts
If all the P5 Athl Depts were barely breaking even and claiming poverty, then that kind of WAGE INFLATION for just 1 asst coach on the FB Staff would be impossible and yet it's happening all over the P5
See my link on the shady accounting that Athl Depts use and you'll see the light
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:45 am to 3down10
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Why would I give a shite what a school spends on a coach?
But you clearly give a shite if a school were to give FB & MBB larger Stipends
I wonder why?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:46 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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My issue is that no demand is ever made for the sports to be solvent, the ADs choose to continue to finance money losing Sports and never put a foot in anyone's arse and demand that they perform better financially
My solution is to give the Money losers even less and cut their coaching salaries to the bone until they turn a Profit
Do you really believe that some of these Non Revenue coaches deserve salaries that pay $300K to $600K per year and they can't sell a ticket to save their life, the only attendance is Parents & relatives
College athletic departments are not for-profit businesses. Universities aren't either, and they pay professors hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to produce no revenue for the university.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:47 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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I wonder why?
Because we don't want college athletics destroyed. That's why
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:52 am to lsufball19
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I don't recall every arguing against throwing a couple more grand at players. I've only argued against giving them a revenue share of media deals and/or a salary of 40-60K like peejay has been bleeding all over the board the past week
Once again I've never mentioned Salary when talking about the Players, ever
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:52 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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12 years ago the absolute best OLine Coach (with no OC duties) was lucky to get $300K on a 1 yr renewable deal, in just 12 short years the best OLine Coaches (with no OC duties) get $1.5 million deals with 3 yrs guaranteed with buyouts
There is not a single OL coach in college football making 1.5 million/year. As of last year, there were only 7 coordinators making 1.5/year or more
BTW, do you know how stipends work and what they are?
You provide me the accounting on how they can provide reasonable living expenses of $40-60k in addition to what they already receive, and maybe you'd have a point. But if you want to go down the road of revenue sharing then you're too stupid to even discuss this with any further.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 12:55 am
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:54 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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Once again I've never mentioned Salary when talking about the Players, ever
sure you have, but to give your craziness it's due credit, you've gone even further to suggest they should receive 1/2 their media revenue shares
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If all these P5 Athl Depts are claiming poverty ,explain how the Facilities Arms race is able to continue
Ah, so they've been investing more money in their student athletes huh?
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 1:00 am
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:05 am to lsufball19
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There is not a single OL coach in college football making 1.5 million/year. As of last year, there were only 7 coordinators making 1.5/year or more
Gotta keep up with all the exploding Salaries in these broke Athl Depts, the Top Coordinators now earn $ 2.5 million per yr
Before Pittman Left UGA he made $900K plus another $225K in bonuses
5 yrs ago a $1 Million coordinator was a rarity, now the best make $2.5 Million, the trend is very clear Coaches pay is exploding, in Athl Depts that you claim are broke and barely breaking even
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:07 am to lsufball19
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sure you have, but to give your craziness it's due credit, you've gone even further to suggest they should receive 1/2 their media revenue shares
Once again for the hundredth time I never suggested anything like that and you never read anything I wrote that was close to that
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:08 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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Gotta keep up with all the exploding Salaries in these broke Athl Depts, the Top Coordinators now earn $ 2.5 million per yr
You said top OL coaches with no OC responsibilities make 1.5 million/year. That is a false statement. I provided you with 2019 salaries (I believe that is keeping up with current salaries, no?). There were 7 assistant coaches who made 1.5 million or more last year. All were coordinators.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 1:13 am
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:13 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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Once again for the hundredth time I never suggested anything like that
Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:37 am to TheSandman
This about money as always.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 5:40 am to PeeJayScammedGT
Let’s look at the demand the PAC12 guys are making..
But first...
You’ve said you didn’t say 50/50 split.. ok. fine.
But you’re saying only FB and MBB players.. well at 90% of the schools the MBB teams don’t make money either.. but your fine with them getting a larger stipend? Why?
Why doesn’t the baseball players at LSU and OM get stipends when their teams make money? Most schools baseball teams don’t , but they do! Why does the 2nd string punter get a stipend? Are you limiting it to only scholarship players? If so why?
Now...
The PAC12 guys, want 50/50 and to reinstate list Olympic sports fully. That’s impossible. 75% of their schools operate in the red with All the sports, you can’t give the players anything and keep the OS teams..
I’ll bet you if the PAC12 commissioner comes back and says we’ll give you everything you want in your list , but can’t help you with the revenue thing. It wouldn’t end this. Because it’s about 2nd and 3rd tier players never making any money playing pro sports , wanting yo cash in... when in actuality they make no more money than the tennis players; because no 100K doesn’t show pinto watch them play. AND JUST LIKE THE TENNIS PLAYERS , THEY DO NOT DESERVE IT EITHER!!!
But first...
You’ve said you didn’t say 50/50 split.. ok. fine.
But you’re saying only FB and MBB players.. well at 90% of the schools the MBB teams don’t make money either.. but your fine with them getting a larger stipend? Why?
Why doesn’t the baseball players at LSU and OM get stipends when their teams make money? Most schools baseball teams don’t , but they do! Why does the 2nd string punter get a stipend? Are you limiting it to only scholarship players? If so why?
Now...
The PAC12 guys, want 50/50 and to reinstate list Olympic sports fully. That’s impossible. 75% of their schools operate in the red with All the sports, you can’t give the players anything and keep the OS teams..
I’ll bet you if the PAC12 commissioner comes back and says we’ll give you everything you want in your list , but can’t help you with the revenue thing. It wouldn’t end this. Because it’s about 2nd and 3rd tier players never making any money playing pro sports , wanting yo cash in... when in actuality they make no more money than the tennis players; because no 100K doesn’t show pinto watch them play. AND JUST LIKE THE TENNIS PLAYERS , THEY DO NOT DESERVE IT EITHER!!!
Posted on 8/5/20 at 6:25 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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When the Power5 by itself grosses $6 billion a year from FB & MBB , they are clearly working their asses off
Here we go with this horseshite again.
Football players dont work any harder than any other athlete, they just play a more popular sport.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 6:27 am to RD Dawg
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If you don't the attendence has drastically dropped in the Ivy League from the 40's and 50's you have no idea about the history of CFB.Penn led the country
in attendence in the late 30's and 40's
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Army played Penn in 1953 and it drew an estimated 80,000 fans.
Penn barely averaged 5,000 these days.
Is this because fans got tired of watching "sloppier" football or because they aren't nationally competitive anymore?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 7:45 am to SidewalkTiger
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Is this because fans got tired of watching "sloppier" football
No idea what this means.
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because they aren't nationally competitive anymore?
Ya think? Wonder why they haven't been competitive?
I don't think things will get this bad
with frat ball in the SEC but if we do have "regular" students to fill FB rosters,schools with much lower standards
will play a much higher quality of FB.
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