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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:46 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:46 pm to lsufball19
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Keep repeating this. It gets more persuasive each time, even if the numbers aren’t accurate ?
Your own school’s athletic department loses money every year, yet you want to pay players. El oh el
Those media deals aren’t just for two sports btw
Sorry a-hole I already posted a link in another post where an ESPN Article said they grossed the $6 billion from FB & MBB back in 2016
Since then TV-Radio Revenues haven't decreased and neither have Tickets, Merch, Parking, and Concessions
The 2 Sports bring in all the Ad Revenue, those garbage nonRev sports are just a courtesy throw in to fill time on the SEC network
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:58 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Sorry a-hole I already posted a link in another post where an ESPN Article said they grossed the $6 billion from FB & MBB back in 2016
You could always do your own research and provide the media deals from each P5 conference and add them up. You could also maybe do some research into the difference in gross or net revenue at somewhere like Texas and compare it to a school like Minnesota or Washington State. All P5s are not created equal, so you placing a blanket over 65 programs as if their financials are remotely comparable to try to make a point just makes you look as dumb as the click bait journalists of the MSM
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:58 pm to lsufball19
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Keep repeating this. It gets more persuasive each time, even if the numbers aren’t accurate ?
Your own school’s athletic department loses money every year, yet you want to pay players. El oh el
Those media deals aren’t just for two sports btw.
As Duane Pride would say, "learn things"
Read this you might learn something
An excerpt
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Within football and basketball, an exclusive group of colleges bring in most of
the money. The Power Five conferences (ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12)
include 65 of the most successful schools in college sports, both athletically and
financially. Those programs brought in more than $7.6 billion in revenue last
year. Out of the 2,078 institutions that have athletic programs, those 65 schools
generated 54 percent of all college sports revenue. Essentially, 3 percent of all
college programs bring in more than half of all the money, and they do that
primarily by plowing money into their massive football programs.
What do you say now a-hole?
$6 Billion in 2016 up to 7.6 Billion in 2019, and you're against larger Stipends for FB & MBB at those Power5 schools that are generating such staggering cash flows
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:02 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
College basketball is not even close to what it was in the 80s talent wise but they still pack the stadiums. They will have billion dollar contracts with cbs
Your just dead wrong on this. Now it could easily go the way of baseball and basically have minimal interest in college and almost no interest in the minors, but college football is so ingrained with their bases that I don’t think it will change materially
And your argument about Patrick Ewing and big Monday is irrelevant because it’s college basketball and people care about it. Let’s say Patrick Ewing went and played for Billings Montana d league and they broadcast it on ESPN. No one is going to give a shite then and no one will now
But he went to college and people actually care about college basketball. I do agree with you Georgia tech guy that it goes both ways but you way underselling how much the college and the coaches matter in pulling these contracts and running a sustainable program
Your just dead wrong on this. Now it could easily go the way of baseball and basically have minimal interest in college and almost no interest in the minors, but college football is so ingrained with their bases that I don’t think it will change materially
And your argument about Patrick Ewing and big Monday is irrelevant because it’s college basketball and people care about it. Let’s say Patrick Ewing went and played for Billings Montana d league and they broadcast it on ESPN. No one is going to give a shite then and no one will now
But he went to college and people actually care about college basketball. I do agree with you Georgia tech guy that it goes both ways but you way underselling how much the college and the coaches matter in pulling these contracts and running a sustainable program
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:07 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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As Duane Pride would say, "learn things"
Read this you might learn something
An excerpt
quote:
Within football and basketball, an exclusive group of colleges bring in most of
the money. The Power Five conferences (ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12)
include 65 of the most successful schools in college sports, both athletically and
financially. Those programs brought in more than $7.6 billion in revenue last
year. Out of the 2,078 institutions that have athletic programs, those 65 schools
generated 54 percent of all college sports revenue. Essentially, 3 percent of all
college programs bring in more than half of all the money, and they do that
primarily by plowing money into their massive football programs.
What do you say now a-hole?
Speaking of learning something, here's something you need to learn. Revenue is not profit. Revenue is the money generated before expenses.
Profits for most companies is a small % of the total revenue generated. For college football, the profits are 0. All the revenue that is generated is used to pay for the programs, improve the facilities, bring in better coaches, better healthcare people, better physical trainers, better food, more entertainment areas for players, better equipment, and the list keeps going. It's all to the benefit of the players right down to the free education that others pay for.
Even then, most of those in your article still rely heavily on donations.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:08 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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What do you say now a-hole?
I see 11 programs account for, at minimum, 1/4 of all the revenue generated in the P5. So why do you keep making this about the entire P5 as if they’re on equal footing. Texas and OSU grossing over 200 million dollars doesn’t really speak for a different P5 making less than 50. You simply cannot do a blanket revenue share or blanket stipend or you will have P5 athletic departments shut down. Why do you have such a hard on for destroying college athletics. The byproduct of that will destroy the lives and opportunities of thousands of student athletes. Burning it all down isn’t going to ultimately help anyone.
And FOH with basketball. Those kids don’t even have to play college ball. Several have gone overseas to get several hundred thousand dollars for a year and then entered the draft. Their choice to be “slaves” of the NCAA overlords
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:17 pm to 3down10
I think her argument is to tell the women’s field hockey team they should figure out how to make America want to watch their sport or kick rocks. Because, you know, we should treat college athletics like a professional sports league.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:19 pm to lsufball19
There are no P5's making less than $71 million.
LINK
I believe the money is there in the SEC and BIG to bump up stipends but you have to have a corresponding "expense" to increase stipends and the schools must decide whatever goofy formula they wanna use.You cannot throw out a round number across the board.
LINK
I believe the money is there in the SEC and BIG to bump up stipends but you have to have a corresponding "expense" to increase stipends and the schools must decide whatever goofy formula they wanna use.You cannot throw out a round number across the board.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:27 pm to RD Dawg
The part that really makes me laugh is the penalty free transfers to anywhere they want when they want
You can’t have it both ways. If you are going to pay for play then you should be compensated for that asset like every professional league around the world. You,get draft picks, you get money, you get other players
So you want a school to invest money in a player and pay him all these benefits but then he can walk away and go somewhere else without getting anything in return. Does anyone understand how anything works anymore. My god
You can’t have it both ways. If you are going to pay for play then you should be compensated for that asset like every professional league around the world. You,get draft picks, you get money, you get other players
So you want a school to invest money in a player and pay him all these benefits but then he can walk away and go somewhere else without getting anything in return. Does anyone understand how anything works anymore. My god
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:31 pm to lsufball19
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Keep repeating this. It gets more persuasive each time, even if the numbers aren’t accurate ?
Your own school’s athletic department loses money every year, yet you want to pay players. El oh el
Those media deals aren’t just for two sports btw.
Now that you've been proven WRONG, are you gonna sack up and admit that half the bullshite you've been talking has been based on erroneous Info?
The $6 Billion in 2016 was correct and the US Senator that authored his research came up with $7.6 billion in 2019 and my guess is that his shite is a lot more accurate than your msg board shite talking and pulling facts outta ya arse
Admit you were wrong a-hole and we can move fwd like civilized people
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:45 pm to MeatPants
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The part that really makes me laugh is the penalty free transfers to anywhere they want when they want
You can’t have it both ways. If you are going to pay for play then you should be compensated for that asset like every professional league around the world. You,get draft picks, you get money, you get other players
So you want a school to invest money in a player and pay him all these benefits but then he can walk away and go somewhere else without getting anything in return. Does anyone understand how anything works anymore. My god
Actually for the first 40 years of Title-IX from 1970 until about 2010, Title-IX Athletes could transfer (same level) without sitting out, I only want equal treatment under the Law since all these Colleges accept Fed Fin Aid and Fed backed Student loans
You're talking about petty ,a-hole, passive aggressive , control the Players "issues" while I'm trying to create an environment of equal treatment under the Law
So while you're ending your post with "my God", you just don't realized how uniformed you are
In fact NonRev men's Sports might have also been allowed to transfer (same level) without sitting out, but I'm not clear if it was for all NonRev men's Sports
In fact the ONLY 2 SPORTS that have never had unpunished transfers(same level) at any time ever, has been FB & MBB
I wonder why?
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:47 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
I can tell you a big reason none of those are accurate....private schools don’t release, nor are they required to release, their financials. That includes Vandy, Miami, Duke, USC, Northwestern, Baylor, TCU, and Stanford. There are also others exempt. Only 52 schools report their yearly totals among the P5.
You also keep dodging why you are putting the entire P5 on equal footing. Texas grossed 222 million in 2018-2019. Washington State grossed 71 million (roughly 1/3). So you tell me how you can implement a blanket revenue share and/or stipend.
You also continue to ignore the difference between net and gross revenue. About 1/2 of the P5 roughly breaks even or loses money every year from athletics. How do you reconcile that? Breach coaching contracts? Cut all non-revenue sports and tell those student athletes to kick rocks? Stop providing amenities for the football/basketball programs? Stop investing money into the actual university, you know that place that provides the platform for the players and the actual reason most of them are there. There isn’t some mysterious pool of money lying around in a bank account to pay these guys.
You also keep dodging why you are putting the entire P5 on equal footing. Texas grossed 222 million in 2018-2019. Washington State grossed 71 million (roughly 1/3). So you tell me how you can implement a blanket revenue share and/or stipend.
You also continue to ignore the difference between net and gross revenue. About 1/2 of the P5 roughly breaks even or loses money every year from athletics. How do you reconcile that? Breach coaching contracts? Cut all non-revenue sports and tell those student athletes to kick rocks? Stop providing amenities for the football/basketball programs? Stop investing money into the actual university, you know that place that provides the platform for the players and the actual reason most of them are there. There isn’t some mysterious pool of money lying around in a bank account to pay these guys.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:50 pm to MeatPants
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You can’t have it both ways. If you are going to pay for play then you should be compensated for that asset like every professional league around the world. You,get draft picks, you get money, you get other players
What? These players aren't property or a pro athlete with contractual obligation play for these schools.Its a one year "agreement"and you can opt out at any time.
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So you want a school to invest money in a player and pay him all these benefits
I'm simply saying they can increase stipends by 4 or 5k (if they find a corresponding expense)Not gonna break anyone's bank in the SEC or BIG.You ever seen how bloated these AD staffs are? I'd much rather get in the hands of the athletes than those freeloaders.
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without getting anything in return
The SEC is about to quadruple the old CBS TV deal from $50 million to $300 million annually.Schools are getting plenty in "return"
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:53 pm to lsufball19
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You could always do your own research and provide the media deals from each P5 conference and add them up. You could also maybe do some research into the difference in gross or net revenue at somewhere like Texas and compare it to a school like Minnesota or Washington State. All P5s are not created equal, so you placing a blanket over 65 programs as if their financials are remotely comparable to try to make a point just makes you look as dumb as the click bait journalists of the MSM
Learn things:
Be Wary of Shady Accounting
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:55 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
So on one hand you’re saying to trust numbers in one article but on another I’m being told not to. Which is it?
Why don’t you find the source material for the articles, you know the “research.” An opinion piece written by a journalist is not doing your own research. I thought GA Tech grads were supposed to know these things.
Why don’t you find the source material for the articles, you know the “research.” An opinion piece written by a journalist is not doing your own research. I thought GA Tech grads were supposed to know these things.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 12:00 am
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:06 am to MeatPants
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And your argument about Patrick Ewing and big Monday is irrelevant because it’s college basketball and people care about it. Let’s say Patrick Ewing went and played for Billings Montana d league and they broadcast it on ESPN. No one is going to give a shite then and no one will now
You're missing my point
All these idiots around here claim all the value of College Sports is in the name on the front of the Jersey, my counterclaim is that it is a combination of the Players & Coaches working in unison to create an elite entertainment product
My point was that no one gave a damn about the name Georgetown Hoyas on the front of the Jersey, until Pat Ewing and all those McDonald's AA's from Baltimore were on the Team, proving that Talent is a major factor in the Revenues generated by Athl Depts
I don't get into the D-League vs College debate, my position has always been why create something new when Tons of cash is flowing thru P5 Athl Depts, they just have to treat the Revenue Athletes a lot better
I don't believe in creating new Development Leagues or Minor Leagues when the simplest solution is to simply give FB & MBB larger Stipends
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 12:13 am
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:09 am to lsufball19
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There isn’t some mysterious pool of money lying around in a bank account to pay these guys
There isn't? Amazing when I see schools always coming up with multimillion dollar buyouts.
SEC schools are probably gonna get an additional $20 million per year after their old CBS deal is over.
Don't ya think there's just a little of that money should be used for a 4k to 5k increase in expenses?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:09 am to lsufball19
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So on one hand you’re saying to trust numbers in one article but on another I’m being told not to. Which is it? ?
Why don’t you find the source material for the articles, you know the “research.” An opinion piece written by a journalist is not doing your own research. I thought GA Tech grads were supposed to know these things
US Senators don't do opinion pieces and the first Article from 2016 ESPN got their Data from the NCAA and the Dept of Education
This is a weak arse argument, you know damn well those numbers are accurate
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:10 am to RD Dawg
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There isn't? Amazing when I see schools always coming up with multimillion dollar buyouts.
So boosters should start paying the players now as a matter of policy?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:12 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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US Senators don't do opinion pieces and the first Article from 2016 ESPN got their Data from the NCAA and the Dept of Education
I don’t think bannersociety.com is run by US Senators or ESPN. And you also didn’t address that 13 of the 65 schools are not represented in those numbers. So how were they able to simply produce them? Guessed? At least USA Today was honest in their reporting by providing their methodology and noted that fact.
And FOH if you don’t think a politician would write an opinion piece. 95% of their day is consumed by pushing a slanted agenda. Is this real life?
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You also keep dodging why you are putting the entire P5 on equal footing. Texas grossed 222 million in 2018-2019. Washington State grossed 71 million (roughly 1/3). So you tell me how you can implement a blanket revenue share and/or stipend. You also continue to ignore the difference between net and gross revenue. About 1/2 of the P5 roughly breaks even or loses money every year from athletics. How do you reconcile that? Breach coaching contracts? Cut all non-revenue sports and tell those student athletes to kick rocks? Stop providing amenities for the football/basketball programs? Stop investing money into the actual university, you know that place that provides the platform for the players and the actual reason most of them are there. There isn’t some mysterious pool of money lying around in a bank account to pay these guys.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 12:21 am
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