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re: Blame the NCAA for caving in on NIL.
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:16 am to BigB123
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:16 am to BigB123
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Bwahaha. The NCAA will give some wrist slaps and then limp away to its hole where it can pretend to have any relevance.
Within 18 months we will know for sure, won’t we? We need to revisit the subject again at that point.
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
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They weren't. A football scholarship is worth a hell of a lot of money.
Will destroy college football in a few years.
Yep, they are literally ruining the greatest sport on the planet (imo) and we're "old men yelling at the clouds" if we don't cheer it on. Oh well, it's done now....
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:18 am to WorkinDawg
There is nothing different other than the money is exchanging hands above the table and kids will have to pay taxes now.
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:19 am to TrussvilleTide
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All of those were either just plain terrible or had other issues (like with Mullen him just not recruiting)
And he fell flat on his face at the end of last year, with a very talented team, and completely lost his team on the field this year.
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:22 am to ColoradoAg
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There is nothing different other than the money is exchanging hands above the table
That's some true, and that's been in violation of ncaa rule the entire time. NIL doesn't change the fact that boosters can't provide incentives for players to sign on with their team.
NCAA will come down hard on a few of the most egregious cases as a precedent. The vast majority of member institutions will demand it.
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:23 am to TrussvilleTide
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Sort of Ironic considering that currently there are 3 or 4 teams who are consistently in the playoffs every year or every other year
You can like something overall without liking certain aspects. I don’t know if there needs to be a cap instituted, maybe they are eligible get deals whenever they play in X number of games, maybe there’s a cap per player by year with upperclassmen eligible to earn the most. I think you’re throwing the baby out with the bath water if you want to scrap the whole thing, but changes are necessary (and coming imo).
Not an answer. Yes or no.
This post was edited on 1/3/22 at 8:24 am
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:25 am to BLG
If you show a kid what is “possible” as opposed to making outright promises not much can be done about that. The only way to make it “fair” is to cap NIL which isn’t possible unless you start paying kids a salary. Good luck with that.
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:25 am to WorkinDawg
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Exactly where were the players "getting screwed"? From where I sit it looked like they were pretty excited about their screwing if thats what was happening to them
You have a Georgia flair so I’m gonna assume you are a Braves fan, but this example works regardless.
Would Freddie Freeman be “getting screwed” from pure dollars and cents standpoint if he only made $70k per year to play a kids game? No, right? There are people who have careers more “valuable to society” that make less than $70k.
Is he going to sign a contract for $70k per year? Or even the league minimum of like $500k? No? Why is that?
It’s because the players are the drivers of the league. They add value and are compensated accordingly, no matter if you think they are worth that or not.
Even when paying players was illegal they were getting paid, so clearly the market disagrees with you that all they deserve is the scholarship.
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:27 am to frogtown
It was an answer, you just don’t like it because it’s not simple enough for you
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:28 am to frogtown
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That is not what is happening. Open your eyes. Use your brain.
why don't you just tell me what's going on because in my scenario, there was a player get in trouble for doing just that within the last 10 years or so.
maybe it was this youtuber: Donald De La Haye
"how dare you use your fame from college to make money for yourself while playing video games!"
and this guy isn't even playing video games.
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:32 am to ColoradoAg
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The only way to make it “fair” is to cap NIL which isn’t possible unless you start paying kids a salary. Good luck with that.
Schools submit paperwork every time a player gets an NIL deal disclosing who and how much. The NCAA can hire someone, slap an office 365 subscription on their computer, and they can keep track of it in an excel sheet
The NCAA tells kids to keep all proof of payment and can ask for receipts at any time.
It really wouldn’t be hard to implement, but schools would just get around it by paying players the old way. I really do think it would help some though, because there are players and donors who want to go through the proper channels and do it the right way.
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:34 am to finchmeister08
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why don't you just tell me what's going on because in my scenario, there was a player get in trouble for doing just that within the last 10 years or so.
Not talking about Todd Gurley selling autographs or AJ Green selling his jersey. We are talking about boosters buying players with NIL.
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:39 am to TrussvilleTide
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Would Freddie Freeman be “getting screwed” from pure dollars and cents standpoint if he only made $70k per year to play a kids game? No, right? There are people who have careers more “valuable to society” that make less than $70k.
Is he going to sign a contract for $70k per year? Or even the league minimum of like $500k? No? Why is that?
Freddie Freeman is one of the best players in MLB- which is a professional league fwiw. If he played for UGA, even if he played at his current talent level, he'd get a free education, just like everyone else who plays on scholarship.
Somewhere between good kids like AJ Green and Todd Gurley missing half a season for selling jersey/ autographs and a kid getting $1M before putting on a game jersey there is a happy median. Unfortunately we went straight to this NIL nonsense which is unworkable, and un-policable.
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:40 am to frogtown
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We are talking about boosters buying players
so... business as usual?
Posted on 1/3/22 at 9:18 am to ELTIGRE52
Either adjust to the new reality or take your toys and go home. CFB has continued to evolve since the beginning. NIL is nothing compared to the advantage schools had before scholarship limits in the "glory days" of CFB where all the Blue Bloods became Blue Bloods because they had two or three times as many kids on scholarship as some of their opponents.
Some schools won't be able to keep up and will make changes just like the past. Sewanee, Georgia Tech, and Tulane went another direction too. In the end the new world of Super Conferences is coming either way and NIL is a big part of it. Adapt or die.
Some schools won't be able to keep up and will make changes just like the past. Sewanee, Georgia Tech, and Tulane went another direction too. In the end the new world of Super Conferences is coming either way and NIL is a big part of it. Adapt or die.
Posted on 1/3/22 at 9:41 am to aggressor
Blame the absurd TV contracts of the past 15 years
College football got too big
College football got too big
Posted on 1/3/22 at 9:44 am to aggressor
Blue Bloods because they had two or three times as many kids on scholarship as some of their opponents.
bullshite
bullshite
Posted on 1/3/22 at 9:46 am to finchmeister08
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You think all that is enough compared to the people that show up with cameras and televise it, and sells ad space while these kids are working their asses off every year?
Instead of whining, go price how much it would cost to put yourself or your kids through a major college and get back to us.
Be sure include, books, housing, meals and transportation to the tuition
Posted on 1/3/22 at 10:01 am to pankReb
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Tell me you're an anti-capitalist without actually telling me you're an anti-capitalist.
Do most of you guys cut grass for a living or something similar? Not that there is anything wrong with that…. Also, the comment early about people needing to understand difference between gross earnings and profit is spot on.
You could apply business models to this if school’s were paying these players from their own budgets. Admittedly, I have not researched the rules for NIL, if they even exist, but “sponsorships” for players will last as long as there is some return. I don’t believe these donors will continue to throw this type of money without some type of return. Therefor, these schools better capitalize while they can. The winners will bolt into the stratosphere, the losers while maybe feeling equal on a gain for a short time, may eventually find themselves even further behind.
Serious thought/question for schools that have heavy NIL participation and large on field results that perpetuate more NIL…. One possibility to consider for those that say these “donors” already give tons of money to the school anyway and are just redirecting, what happens to the school? I know it won’t be end of times impact, but an impact nonetheless.
Posted on 1/3/22 at 10:05 am to DaWGfan01
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DaWGfan01
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I do not agree that a player should get a NIL deal before he ever plays a game in college though.
Well see here's the thing.....no one gives a shite if you don't agree with it.
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