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re: Best SEC Baseball Programs All time
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:01 am to MNW
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:01 am to MNW
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20 would include their last title, so I’ll say yes.
15 they’re probably on the bubble
10 probably not
It was 21 seasons ago now that 2025 is underway.
If we did go back 21 seasons they would be one of 7(?) schools with a title.
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Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:03 am to Hawgeye
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Too many down/bad years and not enough post season consistency.
maybe for a majority of the later 20th century if you're using 1950-present. But once Ron Polk left MSU for Athens we took things up a bit. Polk took us to Omaha before departing again, then Perno took us to omaha 3 times in 6 years with several more regionals sprinkled in. I specifically used 2008 because after that we've not only gone way downhill but that's whne other porgrmas began to really take off and leave us in the dust.
Regardless of splitting hairs the overall point remains the same in that pulling for your in-conference opponents to win it all does absolutely nothing good whatsoever for your program.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:43 am to baytiger11
What about "All Time" do you not understand? So because you claim your athletic department didnt care about college baseball (I would love to see any type of fact on this) All Time rankings shouldn't actually include when the sport began crowning champions in a playoff format? Did LSU field a team and have a chance to compete? Then if you lost you were not a good enough team period.
Yes LSU has one more natty than Texas, Texas has 2x+ the amount of CWS appearances and 1k+ more wins, we also have a higher win percentage even though LSU has played more season than Texas.
Texas is a much better program all time than LSU and it isnt even close.
Yes LSU has one more natty than Texas, Texas has 2x+ the amount of CWS appearances and 1k+ more wins, we also have a higher win percentage even though LSU has played more season than Texas.
Texas is a much better program all time than LSU and it isnt even close.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 12:15 pm to Farmer1906
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It was 21 seasons ago now that 2025 is underway.
Sure, but only 19 NCAA tournaments ago.
In the last 20 tournaments they have 8 CWS, 2 3rd place, 2 runner-up and 1championship, that’s top 5 in the SEC.
Stop making me defend Texas
Posted on 2/18/25 at 1:34 pm to TexasWranglers
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Texas was a much better program all time than LSU
FIFY
Texas is the Michigan of college baseball if Michigan hadn't won a national title last year
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 2/18/25 at 1:36 pm to MNW
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2 3rd place
this doesn't exist
But let's just do the entire SEC top programs for that timeline (2003-present)
LSU
National Titles: 2
CWS Appearances: 8
Runner Up finishes: 1
CWS Semi-Final Appearances: 5
Florida
National Titles: 1
CWS Appearances: 10
Runner Up finishes: 3
CWS Semi-Final Appearances: 7
Vandy
National Titles: 2
CWS Appearances: 5
Runner Up finishes: 2
Semi-Final Appearances: 4
South Carolina
National Titles: 2
CWS Appearances: 5
Runner Up finishes: 1 (also finished runner-up in 2002)
Semi-Final Appearances: 4
State
National Titles: 1
CWS Appearances: 5
Runner Up finishes: 1
Semi-Final Appearances: 3
Ole Miss
National Titles: 1
CWS Appearances: 2
Runner Up finishes: 0
Semi-Final Appearances: 2
Arkansas
National Titles: 0
CWS Appearances: 7
Runner Up finishes: 1
Semi-Final Appearances: 4
Yeah, I could see Texas around 5th among SEC programs from 2003-present
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 2/18/25 at 1:43 pm to lsufball19
The past 25 years Texas has made the CWS 11 times.
Like it or not it making Omaha is the goal after a natty just like making a final 4 is in college basketball and Texas is still very relevant. If you want to focus on last 5, 10, 15 or 20 years fine but that’s not the OP topic which is Best SEC Baseball Programs ALL TIME not just in a timeframe that best suits your counter argument
Like it or not it making Omaha is the goal after a natty just like making a final 4 is in college basketball and Texas is still very relevant. If you want to focus on last 5, 10, 15 or 20 years fine but that’s not the OP topic which is Best SEC Baseball Programs ALL TIME not just in a timeframe that best suits your counter argument
Posted on 2/18/25 at 1:55 pm to TexasWranglers
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Like it or not it making Omaha is the goal after a natty just like making a final 4 is in college basketball and Texas is still very relevant.
Michigan has remained very relevant in football over the years, has piled up wins and very good seasons, and, until last year, they didn't win championships. That's why I called Texas the Michigan of college baseball.
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Best SEC Baseball Programs ALL TIME not just in a timeframe that best suits your counter argument
7>6. That's all-time
Fair?
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 2/18/25 at 1:59 pm to lsufball19
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I never said they shouldn’t be considered. But to say a team is “miles behind” when they have more national titles (and the 2nd most all-time) is stupid
not really. Texas has finished top 8 50% of the years baseball has been played. LSU isn't close to that. They are miles behind. How yall even try to make an argument for it makes no sense.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:03 pm to GamecockUltimate
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not really
Yes really.
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Texas has finished top 8 50% of the years baseball has been played. LSU isn't close to that.
College baseball has existed longer than 76 years.
LSU has made it to Omaha 50% of the time the last 38 years. They've also happened to win a national 7 of those 19. LSU closes. Texas struggles to. We all already know that
Again, you can make your argument for Texas and it's not a bad one, but you lose all credibility when you say a team with more national titles is "miles apart." Just generally speaking, when someone tries to bolster an argument with something like "and it isn't even close," it almost always is certainly close. Just food for thought
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:06 pm to Tiger on the Rag
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List looks good but i would swap state with florida
State has a history that not even LSU has. LSU has surpassed them overall, but you cannot deny that State is the reason baseball got more important in the SEC.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:14 pm to lsufball19
7 > 6 Yes Natty
63 > 36 Yes Omaha
How else can we compare the two where LSU has the upper hand? You have one more natty, we have almost 3 decades of more CWS in less seasons all time.
Again we have more wins, greater win %, more All Americans, etc. Going to agree to disagree here. If by All Time our program has been to the end way more and thats what matter in college baseball
63 > 36 Yes Omaha
How else can we compare the two where LSU has the upper hand? You have one more natty, we have almost 3 decades of more CWS in less seasons all time.
Again we have more wins, greater win %, more All Americans, etc. Going to agree to disagree here. If by All Time our program has been to the end way more and thats what matter in college baseball
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:15 pm to TexasWranglers
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we have almost 3 decades of more CWS in less seasons all time.
no you don't
Texas baseball started in 1894, LSU in 1893. Texas has also played ~650 more games than LSU despite fielding a team a whole year later.
The CWS also didn't exist until 1947
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:21 pm to lsufball19
There you go AGAIN cherry picking time frames during an ALL TIME discussion. What is your definition of ALL TIME?
Heres mine: The start of a sport to todays date, Feb 18, 2025. That is ALL TIME. Compile all the stats, arguments, etc from the beginning to this second and have a debate.
If LSU was even close in CWS appearances you should get the nod but you have 1000+ less wins, a much worse winning %, and almost 30 less trips to the CWS. Those are the facts my man and no amount of 7 > 6 is going to change that in an ALL TIME discussion.
Heres mine: The start of a sport to todays date, Feb 18, 2025. That is ALL TIME. Compile all the stats, arguments, etc from the beginning to this second and have a debate.
If LSU was even close in CWS appearances you should get the nod but you have 1000+ less wins, a much worse winning %, and almost 30 less trips to the CWS. Those are the facts my man and no amount of 7 > 6 is going to change that in an ALL TIME discussion.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:24 pm to TexasWranglers
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almost 30 less trips to the CWS
Your math isn't mathing, but please keep repeating this. It gets funnier each time
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you have 1000+ less wins,
Texas has also played almost 650 more games
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no amount of 7 > 6 is going to change that in an ALL TIME discussion.
sure it will. All-time LSU wins championships more than Texas does. That's the goal of every program, to win national championships. LSU does that more. But grats on all the non-title winning seasons, most being before you were born. All that Texas history, and it took LSU fewer than 4 decades to surpass them.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:25 pm to lsufball19
LSU started playing college baseball one season prior. Texas may have played more games ~(650) but has almost a whole % point higher in wins.
And again since the CWS began LSU (correct me if I am wrong) had the same opportunities to make the CWS as Texas yet Texas has been 63 times and LSU has been 36 times, am I getting my facts wrong? As I assume not thats a massive difference in our programs all time.
And again since the CWS began LSU (correct me if I am wrong) had the same opportunities to make the CWS as Texas yet Texas has been 63 times and LSU has been 36 times, am I getting my facts wrong? As I assume not thats a massive difference in our programs all time.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:27 pm to TexasWranglers
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exas has been 63 times and LSU has been 36 times
neither of those numbers are accurate
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am I getting my facts wrong?
yes, by a lot actually
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:29 pm to lsufball19
I said "almost" 30 times, you want exact math on a forum 63 Texas - 36 LSU = 27 more appearances by Texas.
Ok take away the 650 more games Texas has played we still have more wins all time and thus a higher winning %.
Ok take away the 650 more games Texas has played we still have more wins all time and thus a higher winning %.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:30 pm to TexasWranglers
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said "almost" 30 times, you want exact math on a forum 63 Texas - 36 LSU = 27 more appearances by Texas.
Again, neither of those numbers are close to being right. I want you to figure it out on your own, but jesus christ dude. No Texas has not been to Omaha 63 times, and LSU has not been 36 times. Now, go figure out what the real numbers arePosted on 2/18/25 at 2:51 pm to VFL67
This is obviously not the only piece of relevant info, but a good baseline to start-
World Series Appearances:
38- Texas
19- LSU
14- Florida
12- Miss St
11- Arkansas, Oklahoma, S Carolina
8- Texas A&M
7- Tennessee
6- Auburn, Georgia, Missouri, Ole Miss
5- Alabama, Vanderbilt
1- Kentucky
World Series Appearances:
38- Texas
19- LSU
14- Florida
12- Miss St
11- Arkansas, Oklahoma, S Carolina
8- Texas A&M
7- Tennessee
6- Auburn, Georgia, Missouri, Ole Miss
5- Alabama, Vanderbilt
1- Kentucky
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