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Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:29 pm to djsdawg
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Depends on the context. No draft spot means less than the one used to draft Hershel though.
They are all meaningless outside rookie contract numbers these days. We could make an even longer thread talking about top draft picks being busts and those like Tom Brady having success, because it's meaningless. All that matters is what they do when given the opportunity.
It's dumb and desperate for one of your fans to even bring it into the conversation.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:32 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
Either hershel walker or derrick henry and it not even close with the rest of the list u got there
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:36 pm to 3down10
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Yeah, any offense can do this.
Yep, and the run game can benefit from this, right?
Yes because Taking 2 defenders out of the play with downfield coverage responsibilities creates space in the box by removing 4 total players (2 defenders and 2 blockers).
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deal, then why didn't Georgia do this?
Which uga?
The spread wasn’t a thing in 1980. Not for anyone.
The game changed. We spread the field a lot more in 2021 to create space for playmakers.
Most, if not all, teams do this now.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:33 pm to djsdawg
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Yep, and the run game can benefit from this, right?
Yes because Taking 2 defenders out of the play with downfield coverage responsibilities creates space in the box by removing 4 total players (2 defenders and 2 blockers).
Yeah, that's what they are all the same means. Blocking a guy, running away from him and running down field are all ways to deal with a guy. As I said, it's a numbers game.
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Which uga?
The spread wasn’t a thing in 1980. Not for anyone.
Alabama didn't run the spread in 2015.
But in 1980, the concept of putting out 4 WR was certainly not new. You claimed that it's the space that matters, now you are saying it's an offense that Alabama didn't even run?
Yet for some reason, they only did that for passing. And when they want to run the ball, they group everyone up.
Just like now, when it's 1 yard to go, they group all the offensive players up on the ball. Just that 1 yard, according to you it should be easy to get by spreading out the players. But that's not what teams do.
They spread them out and most often it's for a pass, not a run. And when it's not that, it's usually a misdirection type play where the defense for some reason isn't expecting the run...even though you say these are the conditions that make it easier to run the ball, and go many yards before being touched.
Going further, it's now "playmakers" when we were previously talking about running backs.
At the end of the day, it's just a bunch of bullshite excuses from Georgia fans.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:15 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
Campbell and Simms? *not in SEC
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:51 pm to 3down10
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Yeah, that's what they are all the same means. Blocking a guy, running away from him and running down field are all ways to deal with a guy. As I said, it's a numbers game.
Not same means to create space, different means.
If the guys remain in the box, they literally take up space in the box, right?
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Alabama didn't run the spread in 2015.
Bama 2015 used Spread concepts and defenses had to account for the downfield passing game, especially Ridley.
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But in 1980, the concept of putting out 4 WR was certainly not new.
It wasn’t common because teams didn’t pass well enough to make it work.
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They spread them out and most often it's for a pass, not a run.
It helps the run game when the d is spread thin and focused on the pass.
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Going further, it's now "playmakers" when we were previously talking about running backs.
Rbs are playmakers. Space helps them gain yards.
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At the end of the day, it's just a bunch of bull shite excuses from Georgia fans.
Bama fans love excuses after 33-18. Bama fans know them so well.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:13 pm to 3down10
Derick Henry wasn’t even the best player on his team. Tj Yelden was way better IMO, Henry’s start/stop change of direction was too slow and would get eatin up in the backfield if the Ol didn’t dominate the DL creating 6 yards before contact ( which happened to most teams). He was a hammer because of his size and straight line speed but definitely was not the best running back in college history.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:14 pm to 3down10
Henry couldn’t start over TJ Yeldon, but he was starting over Walker? Because…trust you? You say DH is the best SEC back ever, Saban said he was your 3rd best back on AL’s 2013 roster. Is it cool if Saban’s in the echo chamber?
HW was the centerpiece of an entire league coming out of college. He had 1100 Carry’s over 3 years in a pro league. He was a battering ram in college. There were questions about how much he had left. I’m not sure if you’re aware of this but RB’s have a shelf life…more than any other position. He had 2000 Carry’s in college and the USFL before he came into the NFL, which is roughly equal to what Henry has at AL and the Titans combined. Then HW rushed for over 8000 yards in the NFL. You think Henry has another 8000 yards in him. I don’t.
You do understand that final scores, wins and losses are objective. The determinants can be vast, and you may elect to explain it one way or another. But it will never exceed conjecture. The loss happened. There are endless excuses, descriptions, explanations, what ifs, we shoulda’s in any game. But to say anything beyond “we lost” is supposition.
End rankings are opinions, season rankings are opinions. You seem to want to validate a chefs custom ingredient and then reject the dish. The validity in rankings are in the validity of pollsters. The very pollsters you seem content to dismiss. 40 years after the fact.
HW was the centerpiece of an entire league coming out of college. He had 1100 Carry’s over 3 years in a pro league. He was a battering ram in college. There were questions about how much he had left. I’m not sure if you’re aware of this but RB’s have a shelf life…more than any other position. He had 2000 Carry’s in college and the USFL before he came into the NFL, which is roughly equal to what Henry has at AL and the Titans combined. Then HW rushed for over 8000 yards in the NFL. You think Henry has another 8000 yards in him. I don’t.
You do understand that final scores, wins and losses are objective. The determinants can be vast, and you may elect to explain it one way or another. But it will never exceed conjecture. The loss happened. There are endless excuses, descriptions, explanations, what ifs, we shoulda’s in any game. But to say anything beyond “we lost” is supposition.
End rankings are opinions, season rankings are opinions. You seem to want to validate a chefs custom ingredient and then reject the dish. The validity in rankings are in the validity of pollsters. The very pollsters you seem content to dismiss. 40 years after the fact.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:44 pm to djsdawg
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Bama 2015 used Spread concepts and defenses had to account for the downfield passing game, especially Ridley.
Coker is not a spread QB. They tried it with Bateman in the Ole Miss game, didn't go very well.
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It wasn’t common because teams didn’t pass well enough to make it work.
But you are claiming what matters is they are spread out. Are you saying Georgia passing game was so bad they could just not cover the players at all?
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It helps the run game when the d is spread thin and focused on the pass.
So it doesn't help to spread the defense out when they are focused on the run?
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Rbs are playmakers. Space helps them gain yards.
Yet teams still bunch up the offense in short yard situations when they run. Using the same formations Georgia was using back in 1980.
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Bama fans love excuses after 33-18. Bama fans know them so well.
"I got nothing, so I'm going to mention our 1 win in the past 8 games".
Speaking of things that make me laugh, it's funny to me how Georgia fans think the quality of Georgia's opponents in the 1980's doesn't mean anything, yet the think the low quality of their own teammates is the most important thing.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:54 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
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Henry couldn’t start over TJ Yeldon, but he was starting over Walker? Because…trust you? You say DH is the best SEC back ever, Saban said he was your 3rd best back on AL’s 2013 roster. Is it cool if Saban’s in the echo chamber?
HW was the centerpiece of an entire league coming out of college. He had 1100 Carry’s over 3 years in a pro league. He was a battering ram in college. There were questions about how much he had left. I’m not sure if you’re aware of this but RB’s have a shelf life…more than any other position. He had 2000 Carry’s in college and the USFL before he came into the NFL, which is roughly equal to what Henry has at AL and the Titans combined. Then HW rushed for over 8000 yards in the NFL. You think Henry has another 8000 yards in him. I don’t.
You do understand that final scores, wins and losses are objective. The determinants can be vast, and you may elect to explain it one way or another. But it will never exceed conjecture. The loss happened. There are endless excuses, descriptions, explanations, what ifs, we shoulda’s in any game. But to say anything beyond “we lost” is supposition.
End rankings are opinions, season rankings are opinions. You seem to want to validate a chefs custom ingredient and then reject the dish. The validity in rankings are in the validity of pollsters. The very pollsters you seem content to dismiss. 40 years after the fact.
We can go by the SP+ ranking systems, which is based solely on stats and is opponent adjusted.
Georgia's offense is ranked #27 in that for 1980. Your defense was ranked #17. Not surprising, since the defense is why you beat the only ranked team you played that year.
I have no idea how many more yards Henry will run for. I know he ran for more in 2015 on less carries, on a much much tougher schedule than Walker was able to do in any of his 3 years.
And one thing that made Henry such a beast is he got stronger as the games went on.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:10 pm to Srobi14
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Derick Henry wasn’t even the best player on his team. Tj Yelden was way better IMO
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Henry’s start/stop change of direction was too slow and would get eatin up in the backfield if the Ol didn’t dominate the DL
That's funny he only did well because his OLine dominated on every play, but he got 70% of his yards that season AFTER contact.
Never change LSU fans.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:42 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
Have not read through thread.
Greatest RB Herschel
Greatest athlete Bo
The End
Greatest RB Herschel
Greatest athlete Bo
The End
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:49 pm to 3down10
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Coker is not a spread QB
Passers benefit from spread concepts.
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Are you saying Georgia passing game was so bad they could just not cover the players at all?
Passing offense sucked in 1980 compared to 2021.
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So it doesn't help to spread the defense out when they are focused on the run?
It does? We are talking about what helps the run game.
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teams still bunch up the offense in short yard situations when they run
Yards needed to gain are decreased. When you need 1 yard, getting 5 is less important.
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i got nothing, so I'm going to mention our 1 win in the past 8 games
A win in a National title game is far from nothing, right?
but it’s really all of the bama excuses that bring the relevance to your post about…..excuses.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 10:07 pm to 3down10
The answer is Darren McFadden. Did it with no passing threat AT ALL (Casey Dick and Mitch Mustain were QBs) while sharing a backfield with NFL players Felix Jones and Peyton Hillis.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 10:42 pm to Ironlung
McFadden wasn't even the best in his own backfield. Felix Jones' yards per carry were way better than McFadden.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 6:52 am to Marktastic86
I didn’t say he was terrible but if that contact was at or behind the los he was going down. Compare that to Clyde Edwards and they both had a lot of yards after contact stats but it didn’t matter with him, he was going to make someone miss or run you over. He was one of the many college backs who I think were better than DH, however, I do want to say DH was a beast and fit perfectly in the system he was in, he wore down defenses and seems to have gotten even better in the NFL but he’s not the goat IMO.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:40 am to BigMob
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Have not read through thread.
Greatest RB Herschel
Greatest athlete Bo
The End
Herschel was faster and stronger than Bo.
Bo may earn greatest athlete from reaching a high level in 2 sports (i.e. 2 sport athlete).
But Herschel was more athletic.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:48 am to meansonny
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Herschel was faster and stronger than Bo.
Bo may earn greatest athlete from reaching a high level in 2 sports (i.e. 2 sport athlete).
But Herschel was more athletic.
Hercshel Walker is the king of college running backs. He would average 3,000/season in today's offenses.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:23 pm to 3down10
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And the only way any of them get space is if they get blockers, or they break a tackle.
Glad you are learning as you go…..
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Either someone is going to have to block that guy, run the play away from him, or run a route dragging him away.
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