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re: Best Running Back in SEC History?
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:50 pm to 3down10
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:50 pm to 3down10
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Once again, Alabama didn't run the spread in 2015.
One doesn’t have to primarily run the spread to utilize spread concepts.
Bama 2015 could attack an opponent in multiple ways. Just like uga 2021.
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the benefit would only be in limited carries for a RB.
How many is limited?
It’s easier to gain yards when there are less defenders near the guy with the ball. The spread helps create such space.
Do you recognize that?
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 3:22 pm to djsdawg
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One doesn’t have to primarily run the spread to utilize spread concepts.
Bama 2015 could attack an opponent in multiple ways. Just like uga 2021.
It wasn't used very much, highlights are generally from play action passes and Henry running the ball.
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How many is limited?
It’s easier to gain yards when there are less defenders near the guy with the ball. The spread helps create such space.
Do you recognize that?
If you just want to say a guy who is 10 yards away is giving more space than someone a few years away, then of course.
But that's not how football works. Either someone is going to have to block that guy, run the play away from him, or run a route dragging him away.
In all cases, the same amount of space is being given or taken, what matters is if the player is being dealt with.
Let's spread the entire team out on the line, 3 lineman, 1 QB, 1 RB. 5 in the box offensively only. What's going to matter here are the numbers, if the defense puts 4 in the box, they have 1 extra pass defender, and if the defense puts 6 in the box, they have 1 extra rush defender.
Of course, nobody "spreads" them out that much because it's not ideal. If those defensive players in the box aren't blocked, there is no extra space given.
No matter how much you want to spin it, all these things in the end pretty much even out as the other factors are much larger. When you carry the ball as much as these guys, defenses are going to focus on the run and the above is what's going to matter.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:04 pm to Nitro Express
So Nick Chubb doesn’t have more yards per season and YPC than Henry?
Henry needs to stay healthy, it’s part of the equation of being the best back. At the moment, based on their actual numbers in the same era, he’s not the best back in his draft class. Zeke Elliot has more yards and was drafted in the top 10. The best back in SEC history slipped to the second round.
If Henry keeps his current 1100 yds per season clip, for the next 4 years he still won’t crack the top 20 all time.
Henry needs to stay healthy, it’s part of the equation of being the best back. At the moment, based on their actual numbers in the same era, he’s not the best back in his draft class. Zeke Elliot has more yards and was drafted in the top 10. The best back in SEC history slipped to the second round.
If Henry keeps his current 1100 yds per season clip, for the next 4 years he still won’t crack the top 20 all time.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:12 pm to 3down10
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Either someone is going to have to block that guy, run the play away from him, or run a route dragging him away.
Tell me more about that final one in bold.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:30 pm to 3down10
Situational odds. These are statistical empirical realities. I’m willing to change my opinion. If you want to go back and biopsy all DH’s individual carry’s and can refute this, I’m happy to edit my opinion. I’ll foot the bill at your next tailgate. I suspect we’d be fast friends. But at this point I’m comfortable with the reliability of thousands and thousands of iterations.
Polls are subjective, they consist of opinions. Opinions that begin at point A, and evolve as increased data rolls in. The Authors of said polls signified that with consideration to said schedule and polls, UGA was 1,2,1 including their schedule.
It all matters, this discussion is entirely taste based. Your guy couldn’t start 1/2 his college career, and couldn’t beat out an aging Demarco. The NFL record wouldn’t matter if you weren’t trying to justify DH’s college career as a look back from the NFL. He’s not the best back in his own draft class in his rushing totals in the NFL. If he WAS indeed the best SEC back ever, he wouldn’t have been drafted in the 2nd round. He certainly wasn't considered that when he left college.
Penn States numerous undefeated teams that had no shot at an NC would beg to differ that being undefeated is a golden ticket. It’s part of the equation, but it’s not a gaurantee. A pool of 7-5 teams may be better individually than an 11-1 team pooled with a 9-3 and several 4-6 teams. One outcome allows you to play more ranked teams but it doesn’t assure you played a stronger schedule. The subject teams ranking will. The SOS is already factored in the final ranking.
Ole Miss’ ranking doesn’t assure their strength. It is but an opinion of strength. But the loss to them is quite objective.
I’ll take an echo chamber that includes coaches, former players and professional journalists that cover the sport. I’m most apt to collect an accurate reading amongst the qualified than I am a sampling of message board posters. I’m going to ask cardiologists about heart issues, you can roll the dice with your crimson podiatrists.
Polls are subjective, they consist of opinions. Opinions that begin at point A, and evolve as increased data rolls in. The Authors of said polls signified that with consideration to said schedule and polls, UGA was 1,2,1 including their schedule.
It all matters, this discussion is entirely taste based. Your guy couldn’t start 1/2 his college career, and couldn’t beat out an aging Demarco. The NFL record wouldn’t matter if you weren’t trying to justify DH’s college career as a look back from the NFL. He’s not the best back in his own draft class in his rushing totals in the NFL. If he WAS indeed the best SEC back ever, he wouldn’t have been drafted in the 2nd round. He certainly wasn't considered that when he left college.
Penn States numerous undefeated teams that had no shot at an NC would beg to differ that being undefeated is a golden ticket. It’s part of the equation, but it’s not a gaurantee. A pool of 7-5 teams may be better individually than an 11-1 team pooled with a 9-3 and several 4-6 teams. One outcome allows you to play more ranked teams but it doesn’t assure you played a stronger schedule. The subject teams ranking will. The SOS is already factored in the final ranking.
Ole Miss’ ranking doesn’t assure their strength. It is but an opinion of strength. But the loss to them is quite objective.
I’ll take an echo chamber that includes coaches, former players and professional journalists that cover the sport. I’m most apt to collect an accurate reading amongst the qualified than I am a sampling of message board posters. I’m going to ask cardiologists about heart issues, you can roll the dice with your crimson podiatrists.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:40 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
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Situational odds. These are statistical empirical realities.
Polls are subjective, they consist of opinions. Opinions that begin at point A, and evolve as increased data rolls in. The Authors of said polls signified that with consideration to said schedule and polls, UGA was 1,2,1 including their schedule.
It all matters, this discussion is entirely taste based. Your guy couldn’t start 1/2 his college career, and couldn’t beat out an aging Demarco. The NFL record wouldn’t matter if you weren’t trying to justify DH’s college career as a look back from the NFL. He’s not the best back in his own draft class in his rushing totals in the NFL. If he WAS indeed the best SEC back ever, he wouldn’t have been drafted in the 2nd round. He certainly wasn't considered that when he left college.
Penn States numerous undefeated teams that had no shot at an NC would beg to differ that being undefeated is a golden ticket. It’s part of the equation, but it’s not a gaurantee. A pool of 7-5 teams may be better individually than an 11-1 team pooled with a 9-3 and several 4-6 teams. One outcome allows you to play more ranked teams but it doesn’t assure you played a stronger schedule. The subject teams ranking will. The SOS is already factored in the final ranking.
Ole Miss’ ranking doesn’t assure their strength. It is but an opinion of strength. But the loss to them is quite objective.
I’ll take an echo chamber that includes coaches, former players and professional journalists that cover the sport. I’m most apt to collect an accurate reading amongst the qualified than I am a sampling of message board posters. I’m going to ask cardiologists about heart issues, you can roll the dice with your crimson podiatrists.
Henry would have started every year on that Georgia team, so not sure what your point is.
Walker was a 5th round draft pick, and that was after spending 2 years in basically what amounted to the minor leagues. Yet you put Henry down for being a 2nd day pick in todays NFL?
As for Penn St, if other people also go undefeated, then..duh. I hell, no need to even go to Penn St for that, you can just bring up 1966 Alabama.
The loss to Ole Miss is objective? Did you even watch the game? Alabama lost because of 5 turnovers, a couple of miracle offensive plays with balls bouncing off the heads of players and they still barely won.
And of course "the ranking doesn't matter".
Except of course when you agree with it, even though it's the same exact people:
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I’ll take an echo chamber that includes coaches, former players and professional journalists that cover the sport.
You must be trolling.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:43 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
If they want 3 permanent opponents but stick with 8 conference games one way to use this idea is:
3 perm
4 rotating among other 12 teams (every 3 years)
1 Game assigned based on last years standings
This would give TV and conf office some room to hand pick interesting games, keep 3 perm rivals, play everyone at least every 3 years (or sooner) and keep 4 non-conf games.
3 perm
4 rotating among other 12 teams (every 3 years)
1 Game assigned based on last years standings
This would give TV and conf office some room to hand pick interesting games, keep 3 perm rivals, play everyone at least every 3 years (or sooner) and keep 4 non-conf games.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:43 pm to 3down10
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the same amount of space is being given or taken,
1 blocker and 1 defender take up far less space than 3 blockers against 3 defenders do.
A lot of these guys are 6’3 240+ after all. Multiply that by THREE. it’s basic math.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:46 pm to djsdawg
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Tell me more about that final one in bold.
Ok, then why didn't Georgia just line up 4 WR every play and run them deep? If you do that, the most they can put in the box is 7, which is all that matters to you right?
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:49 pm to djsdawg
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1 blocker and 1 defender take up far less space than 3 blockers against 3 defenders do.
A lot of these guys are 6’3 240+ after all. Multiply that by THREE. it’s basic math.
Yes, it is much easier to run against 1/3rd the amount of defenders, I agree.
Meanwhile, back in the actual game of football, it's 11 vs 11
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:51 pm to 3down10
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Walker was a 5th round draft pick, and that was after spending 2 years in basically what amounted to the minor leagues. Yet you put Henry down for being a 2nd day pick in todays NFL?
Are you trolling? Or ignorant?
Herschel Walker was taken in the 5th round of the 1985 draft.
He played 1985 for the New Jersey Generals running for 2,411 yards.
The Cowboys drafted his NFL rights. Not the player.
They spent a draft pick on a player who could potentially never play a down in the NFL.
Herschel went on to score the gamewinning TD in week 1 of the NFL season for the cowboys and set a franchise record for 292 yards in week 15 (84 yard TD run and 84 yard TD reception).
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:53 pm to meansonny
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Are you trolling? Or ignorant?
Herschel Walker was taken in the 5th round of the 1985 draft.
He played 1985 for the New Jersey Generals running for 2,411 yards.
The Cowboys drafted his NFL rights. Not the player.
They spent a draft pick on a player who could potentially never play a down in the NFL.
Herschel went on to score the gamewinning TD in week 1 of the NFL season for the cowboys and set a franchise record for 292 yards in weeo 15 (84 yard TD run and 84 yard TD reception).
Hey, I don't think the draft position means shite. Tom Brady is considered the GOAT and he was drafted in the 6th round and spent time on the bench before becoming the starter. What matters is what you do when you are put on the field.
It's your fellow fans who think it's somehow an indicator of how great they are, so take it up with them.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:57 pm to 3down10
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Yes, it is much easier to run against 1/3rd the amount of defenders, I agree. Meanwhile, back in the actual game of football, it's 11 vs 11
Where are the 11 players?
1. in the box
2. spread out wide
This makes a huge difference.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:58 pm to 3down10
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Hey, I don't think the draft position means shite. Tom Brady is considered the GOAT and he was drafted in the 6th round and spent time on the bench before becoming the starter.
It's your fellow fans who think it's somehow an indicator of how great they are, so take it up with them.
Spending a 5th round pick on a player in an entirely different league and under an entirely different contract is actually impressive.
You make it sound like any other 5th round pick after any other minor league system.
Some say that the 5th round pick was the best one in cowboy history (for the 4 year contribution of walker and the trade value to the vikings).
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:59 pm to djsdawg
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Where are the 11 players?
1. in the box
2. spread out wide
This makes a huge difference.
Ok so again, if it's such a huge difference and so obvious, why did Georgia line up with multiple running backs instead of 4 WR?
Or hell, why if it's 4th and goal on the 1 yard line, and you just need that 1 yard, do teams bunch up on offense rather than spreading them as far as part as possible. They only need 1 yard, according to you this should make it really easy. Yet teams do the opposite.
Hmmm, why?
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:00 pm to meansonny
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Spending a 5th round pick on a player in an entirely different league and under an entirely different contract is actually impressive.
You make it sound like any other 5th round pick after any other minor league system.
Some say that the 5th round pick was the best one in cowboy history (for the 4 year contribution of walker and the trade value to the vikings).
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:04 pm to 3down10
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Ok, then why didn't Georgia just line up 4 WR every play and run them deep?
Ok, what?
It seems like you are saying it is possible for a defender to follow the WR downfield.
Can you tell me more about how that works?
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:06 pm to 3down10
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Walker was a 5th round draft pick, and that was after spending 2 years in basically what amounted to the minor leagues.
His unique draft circumstances render this irrelevant.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:17 pm to djsdawg
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Ok, what?
It seems like you are saying it is possible for a defender to follow the WR downfield.
Can you tell me more about how that works?
Yeah, any offense can do this. If they don't do it, then it's by choice and for a reason. Which is the point.
So tell me, if this spread distance is such a big deal, then why didn't Georgia do this? Are you going to ignore the question yet again?
Or going further, why is it when it's 1 yard to go, and the offense is going to use an obvious run play, why do the offenses put all their blockers in the box crowded together?
Do they need to give you a call so you can tell them they are doing it wrong, that it's best to spread out all the players? It'll be many yards before the defender touches the RB according to Georgia fans. You should definitely call them.
Make sure you let them know that size is all that matters, things like preventing the defense from setting an edge or getting superior amounts of blockers in an area is worthless.
Dumbass.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:19 pm to djsdawg
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His unique draft circumstances render this irrelevant.
Oh yeah, but Henry getting drafted in the 2nd round is extremely important right?
Let's all go tell Tom Brady he's shite because he was drafted in the 6th round while we are at it.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 5:19 pm
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