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re: Best Facilities in the SEC?
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:10 am to Farmer1906
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:10 am to Farmer1906
some of the debates on this board are hysterical
I mean, y'all are arguing over who has nicer suites on an internet message board
I mean, y'all are arguing over who has nicer suites on an internet message board
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:12 am to cardboardboxer
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By next season its the nicest stadium in college football.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:15 am to AmazinGrace
Football:
Kyle, Bryant-Denny, Tiger, Sanford, Neyland, Reynolds, Ben Hill Griffin, Jordan-Hare, Commonwealth, Williams-Brice, Davis-Wade, Vaught-Hemingway, Memorial, Vanderbilt
But really all are top notch except the last two - and even Mizzou and Vandy are improving.
(A&M, UK, OM, Mizz are doing renovations/additions,
LSU, Aub, MSU doing cosmetics/improvements.)
Basketball:
Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Auburn,
Florida, LSU, Georgia, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Vandy, A&M, Alabama, South Carolina, Miss St.
(Ole Miss building new facility)
(Alabama, LSU doing cosmetics, improvements)
Baseball:
Arkansas, LSU, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Miss State,
Auburn, Florida, A&M, Kentucky, Vandy, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, Missouri.
(Alabama, MSU building new facilites/renovating.)
(Vandy, LSU doing cosmetics, additions.)
Kyle, Bryant-Denny, Tiger, Sanford, Neyland, Reynolds, Ben Hill Griffin, Jordan-Hare, Commonwealth, Williams-Brice, Davis-Wade, Vaught-Hemingway, Memorial, Vanderbilt
But really all are top notch except the last two - and even Mizzou and Vandy are improving.
(A&M, UK, OM, Mizz are doing renovations/additions,
LSU, Aub, MSU doing cosmetics/improvements.)
Basketball:
Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Auburn,
Florida, LSU, Georgia, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Vandy, A&M, Alabama, South Carolina, Miss St.
(Ole Miss building new facility)
(Alabama, LSU doing cosmetics, improvements)
Baseball:
Arkansas, LSU, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Miss State,
Auburn, Florida, A&M, Kentucky, Vandy, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, Missouri.
(Alabama, MSU building new facilites/renovating.)
(Vandy, LSU doing cosmetics, additions.)
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:19 am to stout
I don't know why you are laughing, it will be.
Some might be louder, bigger, have more history or a nicer surrounding area. But for just the metric of the "nicest stadium" A&M is about to take that crown until the next big school does a product of that scale.
Some might be louder, bigger, have more history or a nicer surrounding area. But for just the metric of the "nicest stadium" A&M is about to take that crown until the next big school does a product of that scale.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 10:20 am
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:21 am to Farmer1906
Let's be clear, I never said Kyle Field wasn't nice, I've been a fan of the redesign from the beginning.
But all I'm pointing out is Texas A&M spent $750 million while LSU spent $80 million to get to essentially the same point.
Kyle Field has slightly more general seats than Tiger Stadium, and some of the premium seating is pricier than any other stadium.
Tiger Stadium has more suites, more club seating, and the most overall premium seating in country, not just the SEC. And with unparalleled convenience in the way of plentiful exits, and proximity of seats to exits and thus restrooms and concessions.
The new South End Zone Addition to Tiger Stadium sets the bar higher for stadium additions everywhere.
No longer are end zone additions that are essentially an ocean of concrete with rows of general seating and few exits, miles from the field and far away from concessions be tolerated. Fans will want something like this:
It's got it all...suites, club seats, general seats and standing room only space. And every seat is very close to restrooms and concessions.
But all I'm pointing out is Texas A&M spent $750 million while LSU spent $80 million to get to essentially the same point.
Kyle Field has slightly more general seats than Tiger Stadium, and some of the premium seating is pricier than any other stadium.
Tiger Stadium has more suites, more club seating, and the most overall premium seating in country, not just the SEC. And with unparalleled convenience in the way of plentiful exits, and proximity of seats to exits and thus restrooms and concessions.
The new South End Zone Addition to Tiger Stadium sets the bar higher for stadium additions everywhere.
No longer are end zone additions that are essentially an ocean of concrete with rows of general seating and few exits, miles from the field and far away from concessions be tolerated. Fans will want something like this:
It's got it all...suites, club seats, general seats and standing room only space. And every seat is very close to restrooms and concessions.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:25 am to TigersOfGeauxld
I'm reminded of 2 things from this thread:
1) The first time I walked through the gates to my seat and saw the new SEZ last year. LSU nailed that thing.
2) Don't frick with TigersOfGeauxld in a facilities knowledge contest.
1) The first time I walked through the gates to my seat and saw the new SEZ last year. LSU nailed that thing.
2) Don't frick with TigersOfGeauxld in a facilities knowledge contest.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:48 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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But all I'm pointing out is Texas A&M spent $750 million while LSU spent $80 million to get to essentially the same point.
That is not completely fair. Ours will fit more people and be nicer, because basically newer and more expensive is almost always nicer.
I get that based on different metrics LSU's stadium is still one of the best if not the best in the country, and the environment can't be beat.
But on the metric of pure niceness, the only stadium in the SEC that will still be competition for a completed Kyle is BDS. Plus we will sit more total than anyone.
Is niceness an important thing? Probably not, its a stadium and not a ballroom. But I don't think it's fair to discredit the work we have done by saying that LSU stadium (parts of which haven't been upgraded in a decade) is as nice as Kyle. We paid more than anyone has to get further than anyone has.
And it will be a short-lived victory, soon another facility will be nicer than ours. We didn't maximize our bang for our buck because we kept a lot of old stuff, so some cheaper project will eventually surpass us. But we will have a few years in the sun at least.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:00 am to cardboardboxer
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s niceness an important thing? Probably not, its a stadium and not a ballroom.
It's getting more and more important with the quality of television productions these days. I sit in the East Upper and our concourse is laughable. Shitty concessions, 15yr old TVs that you can't even see anymore because the footage is in widescreen and the tvs are old school 25" boxes.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:10 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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But all I'm pointing out is Texas A&M spent $750 million while LSU spent $80 million to get to essentially the same point.
lol no
to be at the same point LSU would have to rip out the guts of most of Tiger Stadium to completely redo it like A&M has.
I've been to Tiger Stadium and it's the same as any old as frick stadium. Cramped, dingy, poorly mapped out, and in need of many basic repairs.
Its not horrible, but neither is the Cotton Bowl and nobody says that's a nice stadium anymore.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 11:12 am
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:19 am to cardboardboxer
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But I don't think it's fair to discredit the work we have done by saying that LSU stadium (parts of which haven't been upgraded in a decade) is as nice as Kyle.
There is no part of Tiger Stadium, inside or outside, "which haven't been upgraded in a decade". None, zip, zilch, nada.
There has been constant work, and more is scheduled or planned. The concrete has just been resurfaced for the entire lower bowl of the stadium, and the seats redone. The Tiger Stadium locker rooms were completely redone last season.
LSU is planning on adding more restroom and concessions. They AD is looking into using the old dorm space to do so.
And I'm not just saying Tiger Stadium is as nice as Kyle Field from a fan perspective, I'm saying it's a nicer experience for the fans, and I've backed it up with facts.
Tiger Stadium has more exits, more chair backed seats, and virtually every seat at Tiger Stadium has either as good or better sight lines than the comparable seats in Kyle Field. There is nothing like the cheap seats in Kyle in Tiger Stadium.
No seat in Tiger Stadium is stuck at the arse end of nowhere, at the end of an ocean of concrete, far from exits and civilization.
There is a unique feature in Tiger Stadium that Kyle Field or many other simply don't have...field level seating. Ours goes all the way around the field.
Older pic, note chain link fence:
I noted this before, but of all the stadiums in the SEC, only Tiger Stadium offers chair back seating for the SEC-mandated 2,000 lower bowl seats behind the visitor's bench. Combine that with the visitor's seats in the new South End Zone Addition...
...and the vast majority of visiting fans to Tiger Stadium enjoy better seats than they would in their home venue. Better sight lines, closer to exits, closer to restrooms and concessions. Because Tiger Stadium was designed better at the start and upgraded in a wiser manner than most stadiums.
We LSU Tiger fans are spoiled, we get to enjoy the premier fan experience in college football! And it's a money machine for our athletic department. I doubt there's another stadium out there that takes in more dollar per seat than Tiger Stadium does.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:23 am to TigersOfGeauxld
Have you ever sat on the field? I have when A&M used to put temp seats out for big games. Its terrible. You cannot see anything.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:29 am to Farmer1906
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Have you ever sat on the field? I have when A&M used to put temp seats out for big games. Its terrible. You cannot see anything.
I have. It's a unique experience, and I jumped at the chance when offered. I wouldn't choose to sit behind either team's bench, of course, but those are usually for friends and families of those teams.
I sat very close to the perspective of this picture...
..which is a great place to watch the team run out...
... listen to the band...
Would I want to sit there every game? No. But as I said, it was on my bucket list, and I scratched it off.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 11:45 am
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:43 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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And I'm not just saying Tiger Stadium is as nice as Kyle Field from a fan perspective, I'm saying it's a nicer experience for the fans, and I've backed it up with facts.
Which I am not arguing with. I am sorry I am wrong about the decade out thing, but I feel like you are missing my point.
Its like if I bought a brand new Suburban and I bring it over to show you how nice it is because I am proud. You say "you know my old 4Runner is more comfortable to sit in than your suburban, it can tow more, and it is better to drive." You would be 100% correct, but it doesn't change the fact my suburban is a nicer vehicle than your 4Runner. It has all these features your old 4Runner doesn't have- tvs in the seatbacks, an auto lifting gate, etc. Both are SUVs, and the 4Runner has distinct advantages, but the Suburban is nicer.
Can you really tell me that the "new" locker room you showed me (with carpet, low ceilings, and plain lockers) is as nice as our locker room (with custom lockers, wood trim, and LEDs at every single locker)?
There is nothing wrong with what LSU has, it has better than 95% of college football. Most programs would kill to have that locker room. And yet ours is nicer, just like our stadium is nicer.
I get that people are competitive and you never want to admit where you are "beat," but I feel like you are purposefully trying to avoid admitting the project we just spent half a billion bucks on is nicer. I don't see the point of that.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:47 am to cardboardboxer
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LEDs at every single locker
You mean like this?
I like ours just fine. That's quality construction btw, no cheap wood used there.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:57 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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You mean like this?
Are the names up at the top (above the helmets) on LED TVs? I can't tell. If so I am sorry for being wrong.
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I like ours just fine
Sure it looks nice. At some level this is like picking which $200+ bottle of wine you like at a fine restaurant. Personal taste matters.
In which case I say
good sir, and thank you for all the good pictures and data.Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:04 pm to cardboardboxer
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...just like our stadium is nicer
I think you are purposely avoiding admitting what the pictures show, and the facts I posted illustrate...Kyle Field is not nicer than Tiger Stadium.
Texas A&M had to spend $750 million on Kyle Field...it was about that far behind Tiger Stadium. The $80 million LSU spent put us over the top again.
Think about it, you spent $750 million to rebuild your stadium to the point where it still has less suites, less club seats, worse sight lines, less exits, and less proximity to restrooms and concessions than Tiger Stadium now has for fans. And LSU isn't done with improvements, as I noted.
Does Kyle Field have some areas that are nicer, with higher end finishes? Yes. Does LSU's Tiger Stadium offer more overall amenities to fans and players? Yes.
Only a homer, given the facts I've supplied, and the pictures I've furnished, would conclude that Kyle Field...a wonderful stadium by any measure...is superior overall to LSU's Tiger Stadium.
Just ask the vast majority of visiting Aggie fans which seats they'd rather have (if they could have them anywhere)...the ones they get in Tiger Stadium, or the ones they have back in Kyle Field.
There's your true answer.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:07 pm to cardboardboxer
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Can you really tell me that the "new" locker room you showed me (with carpet, low ceilings, and plain lockers) is as nice as our locker room (with custom lockers, wood trim, and LEDs at every single locker)?
Also note, the LSU locker room pictured is what's in Tiger Stadium. A&M only has 1 locker room. The LSU Football Ops is scheduled for an upgrade in the next year or so and that locker room will get an overhaul too.
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the 4Runner has distinct advantages, but the Suburban is nicer.
And much like the 4Runner, Tiger Stadium is built to last. That Suburban will be falling apart in 10 years. I kid, I kid.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:12 pm to MightyYat
Ridiculous the money spent on something used for five or six events a year. The Texas need for ours is bigger or whatever speaks to what has been lacking in all things Texas all along. Style and class, both lacking in grandiose scale.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:14 pm to cas4t
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some of the debates on this board are hysterical
I mean, y'all are arguing over who has nicer suites on an internet message board
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:21 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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Does Kyle Field have some areas that are nicer, with higher end finishes? Yes.
If that is all I can get out of you I will take it. I think the big screen alone calls for a little more credit than "higher end finishes" (LSU has the 53rd biggest screen in college football, we have the first) but I will take it.
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Kyle Field is not nicer than Tiger Stadium.
I think we are not going to see eye to eye on this one, and I know why- a difference in taste.
I can tell you are the person that would say the St. Louis Cathedral is the nicest church is New Orleans while I would pick one of the brand new megachurchs in the suburbs. So its not like one of us can outright "win" when the issue is taste.
But I will tell you something: I appreciate your practical perspective. I could sit here and argue that our suites are nicer or something like that, but the truth is I don't have access to a founder's suite. So arguing on a message board what suite is nicer is like arguing which billionaire wears nicer shoes.
So I will concede that based on the metric that an AVERAGE fan cares about, you are correct that LSU is the nicer experience. And both are near the top of the sport.
Thanks again for a civil conversation.
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