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re: Bateman and Barnett on their reason for transferring from bama
Posted on 8/8/17 at 2:55 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
Posted on 8/8/17 at 2:55 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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people with an agenda
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Huddie Leadbetter
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 2:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Sure, but generally people (quality people) attempt to not up and leave in the middle of a big project, client or busy time.
Again, transferring is fine. Totally fine. It's reasonable to be irritated by transferring after 4 games, both because of the problems it creates but also because I don't think he was clearly done at Alabama. If he'd given it the entire season he may have ever re-taken the job. But he freaked out and was in Arizona before anyone blinked, and that chance was gone.
I can get on board with Barnett leaving in the middle of the season. That's a pretty weak move, but I guess I get the logic in why he did what he did. I just think Saban, as the HC, needs to just keep his opinions of a kid's decision to transfer to himself. I mean I'm not saying anything will come from this, but it's just the right thing to do, and Saban, an adult, shouldn't lower himself to that.
I'm also reminded of Maurice Smith from last season and how that was handled. It just made everyone involved look petty and could have been totally avoided. Saban just seems to always have to make his opinion known when a player transfers. I guess that's just his personality, for better or worse.
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:03 pm to cajunbama
It's raining tears in Arizona 
Coach Saban always preaches against a feeling of entitlement from either a team or individual standpoint. He "communicates" it continuously, Barnett evidently wasn't listening. No hard feelings Blake, but give it up Son, Jalen beat your butt out. Nobody watching thought you would start again as long as Jalen was healthy.
Coach Saban always preaches against a feeling of entitlement from either a team or individual standpoint. He "communicates" it continuously, Barnett evidently wasn't listening. No hard feelings Blake, but give it up Son, Jalen beat your butt out. Nobody watching thought you would start again as long as Jalen was healthy.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:04 pm to lsufball19
Both cases were the first of their kind, that I'm aware of.
A redshirt freshman leaving after three games because he lost the starting job. And being immediately eligible at another institution.
Mo Smith following his DC to another conference program. Most all grad transfers, I'm aware of, have been to other conferences.
A redshirt freshman leaving after three games because he lost the starting job. And being immediately eligible at another institution.
Mo Smith following his DC to another conference program. Most all grad transfers, I'm aware of, have been to other conferences.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:04 pm to Croomismyname
I'm only on page 3..I wonder how many more times I'm gonna see Bama fans say, " And the rest is history"..jeez
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:04 pm to butchvan
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Nobody watching thought you would start again as long as Jalen was healthy.
pretty sure he knew that too and is why he transferred
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:09 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Mo Smith following his DC to another conference program. Most all grad transfers, I'm aware of, have been to other conferences.
eh, Alabama didn't even play UGA last year and following a coach to his new school isn't uncharted territory. I don't really see what the big deal is/was. If a player wasn't good enough to start for your team, you shouldn't really be worried about them transferring somewhere else. Now, I don't support some sort of free agency system (which is odd, btw, that a guy like Saban would talk about commitment in that light given his history of leaving teams in the middle of a contract), but I also do not think that schools should be able block transfers if the player is transferring pursuant to NCAA guidelines. If coaches can up and leave for wherever whenever they feel like it, then players shouldn't be prevented from doing the same.
I mean let's say a player from his 2004 LSU team called Saban a quitter for promising he wasn't going to leave, but Saban did just the opposite. Is that Saban not honoring his commitment to the players he recruited and coached? Why should they be expected to play by a different set of "ethics?" At the end of the day, it's all a business. Players don't transfer to quit. They transfer for better opportunities, just like coaches leave programs for better opportunities. These guys want to play in the NFL. If they think they have a better chance to get there by transferring, then they should be able to without their former HC throwing them under the bus.
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:09 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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and when it became apparent that Hurts couldn't read defenses and was very inconsistent in the intermediate and long passing game,
I assumed that this was apparent to them before they ever saw him take snap, being the true freshman that he was
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:12 pm to lsufball19
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I can get on board with Barnett leaving in the middle of the season. That's a pretty weak move, but I guess I get the logic in why he did what he did.
Yea, I do too, but he has to know it is going to be questioned.
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I'm also reminded of Maurice Smith from last season and how that was handled. It just made everyone involved look petty and could have been totally avoided. Saban just seems to always have to make his opinion known when a player transfers. I guess that's just his personality, for better or worse.
I agree with you. Personally I wish Saban would just say "so and so is leaving, we wish him well".
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:15 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I assumed that this was apparent to them before they ever saw him take snap, being the true freshman that he was
But you assume with playing time that a QB will improve over the course of the year. Hurts did not, and by the time the good defenses rolled onto the schedule, it impacted the success of our offense. It wasn't only his lack of ability to read defenses before and after the snap, but the opposition learned that with a little pressure (since they didn't respect his passing game), he'll fire off a bad pass, throw to the sideline, or take off. That doesn't make for a balanced offense.
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:15 pm to cajunbama
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people with an agenda
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Huddie Leadbetter
So can you debate any of the points of discussion or is that all you have?
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:32 pm to Goldrush25
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If you're going into the first game splitting time with the other two QBs, that's a pretty clear picture of where you stand, which is on unsure footing.
Heading into the game, Barnett said he was under the impression the job was his and Bateman believed he would split time with Barnett, which is what Saban said publicly would be the case the week of the game.
How is it a "clear picture of where you stand" when Saban publicly states that Barnett and Bateman would split time and there would be some zone read packages for Hurts..... and then basically hands the job to Hurts on the 3rd series of the season. Hurts was less effective in his first 2 series than Barnett and actually turned it over,.....but Saban didn't pull him after 2 ineffective series like he did Barnett.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:54 pm to sicboy
Long story short, Barnett had that deer in the headlights look every snap of the USC game, Hurts was composed and unflappable. And Batemen hadn't really shown anything that wowed anyone in his three years at Bama.
Bama is not a charitable organization...you earn what you get.
Hope they enjoy their new locations and hope it works out for them.
Bama is not a charitable organization...you earn what you get.
Hope they enjoy their new locations and hope it works out for them.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:55 pm to lsufball19
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I mean let's say a player from his 2004 LSU team called Saban a quitter for promising he wasn't going to leave, but Saban did just the opposite. Is that Saban not honoring his commitment to the players he recruited and coached? Why should they be expected to play by a different set of "ethics?" At the end of the day, it's all a business. Players don't transfer to quit. They transfer for better opportunities, just like coaches leave programs for better opportunities. These guys want to play in the NFL. If they think they have a better chance to get there by transferring, then they should be able to without their former HC throwing them under the bus.
But Saban left at the end of the 2004 season. Even coached the bowl. He didn't jump to Miami in September.
Kids transfer all the time after the conclusion of the season. Especially QBs. No harm, no foul. Barnett had all the right to do it when he did. But being the first to chart new waters comes with raised eyebrows too.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:56 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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But you assume with playing time that a QB will improve over the course of the year. Hurts did not, and by the time the good defenses rolled onto the schedule, it impacted the success of our offense. It wasn't only his lack of ability to read defenses before and after the snap, but the opposition learned that with a little pressure (since they didn't respect his passing game), he'll fire off a bad pass, throw to the sideline, or take off. That doesn't make for a balanced offense.
Is it fair to base his development off of his performances against some of the best defenses in the nation? Defenses with secondaries that were littered with 1st and 2nd round picks? With an OC who was already halfway in Boca Raton?
I mean, we've gone around in circles with this debate, but simply saying that "he did not improve" when our schedule was backloaded with the nations best defenses is kind of an obtuse way of looking at his season last year.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:58 pm to LSU82BILL
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but Saban didn't pull him after 2 ineffective series like he did Barnett
See my post...Barnett looked completely intimidated, whereas Hurts absolutely did not let that fumble bother him.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:01 pm to sicboy
I'm an Auburn fan, and they both come across as whiny bitches to me.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I agree with you. Personally I wish Saban would just say "so and so is leaving, we wish him well"
Almost everything Saban says to the media is calculated. Often, it's not so much to get get back at a player leaving, so much as sending a message to the other 85 guys on the team. Saban is right that about 99% of players that have left Alabama, have done absolutely nothing with their football careers elsewhere. Kamara and perhaps one or two more would be exceptions, but by and large guys who leave for playing time, typically don't have great careers other places. Sometimes it's better to buckle down, develop and wait your turn. Or at least wait until the season is over to bail.
Let's use Mo Smith as an example. Mo Smith came out of spring ball at Bama as the starting nickel. IOW, he'd be on the field roughly 80% of the time. He goes to UGA and plays the same exact position in an almost identical defense for an 8-4 UGA team instead of a 14-1 sec title and playoff team. With how tired our secondary was late in the Clemson game, you have to wonder if Mo would have bee the difference in a razor thin loss. Was that a good decision in hindsight? Probably not so much.
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:06 pm to Sid E Walker
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Bama is not a charitable organization...you earn what you get.
Absolutely. But this looks like Saban mislead Barnett and Bateman prior to the beginning of the season to prevent them from doing what Barnett eventually did a few weeks into the season. Saban probably figured that there was no way they would quit once the season started and he had an insurance policy should Hurts go down with an injury.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:08 pm to LSU82BILL
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Absolutely. But this looks like Saban mislead Barnett and Bateman prior to the beginning of the season to prevent them from doing what Barnett eventually did a few weeks into the season. Saban probably figured that there was no way they would quit once the season started and he had an insurance policy should Hurts go down with an injury.
Barnett started the USC game, and played more in the 4th quarter. He also split reps with Hurts the next game or two. He was given every opportunity to outshine Hurts and failed. Bottom line.
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