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re: Auburn and Bama basketball on a collision course
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:16 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:16 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Kobe was a great player, but he's wrong here.
I do and that was the specific term Kobe used to describe the current style of offensive philosophy. You're welcome to watch the interview where he talks about it in comparison to his/Phil Knight's style of play.
quote:You can't go by "made 3s per game" to label a team as one that "lives and dies by the 3". Alabama plays at a higher tempo than anyone else in college ball, which means they have more possessions and therefore more field goal attempts and makes (of all types) than most anyone else
Alabama is currently 15th in made 3's per game. They were 2nd last year. they were 9th the year before.
Last year 19th is %, the year before and 198 in %
3pt FGs made per game:
- Alabama: 10.14
- Auburn: 9.45
2pt FGs made per game:
- Alabama: 20.29
- Auburn: 20.90
Does Auburn now "live and die by the 3" too?
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Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:23 am to Luke
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He couldn’t hit shots there with whole seasons practice… nothing indicates he will in the future
He won’t be good
He will only be good against cupcakes
He won’t be good when SEC play starts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:25 am to TideCPA
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Does Auburn now "live and die by the 3" too?
I mean, this is the first season since 2020 that we've been in the top 100 in 3pts made per game, but yes historically under Bruce we've largely been that way. Recently though, no we haven't been, largely due to improved paint players and horrid guard 3pt shooters.
Man, that term really gets under your skin. it is odd
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 11:33 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:35 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Not really, you're just wrong. A team that makes 3-pointers at a rate that puts them in the bottom half of the NCAA, yet still has the #2 most efficient offense, by definition does not "live and die by the 3". If a team "died by the 3" they would by definition lose nearly every game where they didn't make a high percentage of 3s.
Man, that term really gets under your skin
It's really not that hard. You just either don't or refuse to understand modern basketball.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 11:37 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:51 am to TideTurf
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A distinct possibility Bama and Auburn could play 4 times. 3 is a pretty good bet,SEC Tournament will be crazy.
Honestly, at this point, I'm for trotting the bench players out there for 40 minutes and mailing in the SEC tournament. It has been proven that winning doesn't benefit a team that was already making the tournament, we've already had a conference regular season full of wars, everyone will be needing some rest, and it just increases the likelihood of someone getting injured. It is fun to win it, but for a team having legitimate aspirations for a greater prize it may not be worth the effort.
That said, if we're gonna play them......might might as well win them.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:56 am to LegendInMyMind
I'm generally team "if you are gonna play the games win the games", but I think this season........after what will be an absolutely grueling regular season and a possible grueling 3 days of war.........I'd be ok just losing on Friday and getting guys 2 days to do absolutely nothing and heal up before getting back into basketball mode on Monday for the first site games.
Over a 21 day period we play
vs #1 Auburn
@ #22 Missouri
vs #17 Kentucky
vs #26 Mississippi State
@ #7 Tennessee
vs #4 Florida
@ #1 Auburn
And then we're gonna tack on 2-3 more games against physical, elite teams? Dudes are gonna be mentally and physically at their breaking point.
Of course, then the tournament actually comes around and it becomes harder to think that way
Over a 21 day period we play
vs #1 Auburn
@ #22 Missouri
vs #17 Kentucky
vs #26 Mississippi State
@ #7 Tennessee
vs #4 Florida
@ #1 Auburn
And then we're gonna tack on 2-3 more games against physical, elite teams? Dudes are gonna be mentally and physically at their breaking point.
Of course, then the tournament actually comes around and it becomes harder to think that way
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 11:58 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:57 am to mckibaj
quote:Holloway was always going to find his stroke again, whether at Auburn, Bama or somewhere else.
Sometimes starting over fresh at a new school is needed. As much as I hate it, I think Holloway made a good decision. Would have rather seen him at anywhere else, but it is what it is.
I think what rubs most people the wrong way was the way Holloway left. He immediately left the team after the tourney loss and took public shots at the coaching staff on his way out.
Bruce did everything he could to help him- continued to set up open looks for him and voiced constant support even though Holloway’s shooting was subpar. It’s just not easy to play point in Bruce’s system.
He was just a young kid who hit a slump but still made all conference freshman team. Just no need to take shots at the coaches on the way out.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:07 pm to mckibaj
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Sometimes starting over fresh at a new school is needed. As much as I hate it, I think Holloway made a good decision. Would have rather seen him at anywhere else, but it is what it is.
The decision he made was one thing, how he made it was another. He was a head case who couldn't make any shot, free throws included, down the stretch last season. Bruce and crew kept feeding him and kept feeding, they kept building him up and supporting him, probably giving him more chances than he deserved. Yet, he and his family shite on the Auburn staff on the way out the door? Nah, that's not how you handle it.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Because, as noted above, our offense is continuous motion based around the concepts of spacing and filling spots and gaps. And we absolutely "run plays" at certain points, generally if our initial spacing and high ball screen cuts haven't led to a look within the first 7 seconds. It happens quite often, actually.
You're talking to a guy who supposedly watched that MSU game the other night and still says that bama doesn't run set plays, or any offense really. He couldn't see the two-man game they ran with Nelson that was one of their money plays down the stretch in that game. There is no need to engage this dude.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:15 pm to au4you
this - the fact BP continued to give AH every and any chance to redeem himself but he just sucked. Then takes shots at BP..? Just take some accountability and say it didn't work out.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:25 pm to SECdragonmaster
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don’t understand this thought (and I hear it all the time). What kind of ceiling are we talking about after 20 games into the season. At some point, you are what you are (and they are very good).
The exception would be a team like the fab 5 or a Kentucky team with 5 freshman.
Alabama is an experienced team (just like Auburn). They are built for a run and expected to do just that. But there is no “super higher” plane to reach.
I'm sure commentators talking about Alabama's higher plane meant 2 things:
1. Like you mention for Kentucky, the freshmen and young players. Three younger players -- Philon, Reid and Stevenson -- all contribute but are pretty raw (4 count if you count Diabate learning offense). These are actually the 4 more likely NBA players on the roster. No guarantee they'll improve in leaps and bounds this season but they were elite recruits with a lot of yet unrealized potential and any one that does would significantly raise the "ceiling".
2. Youngblood -- he's only now 100% after his off season injury and should be one of the best players on the team. He joined the starting lineup and started playing more minutes in the last 2 games.
(You could even add Sears not yet playing at quite the level he has consistently for 2 seasons but I assume commentators are talking about those other two aspects.)
It's no knock on any other team to say that's a lot of "ceiling" instead of we know the "team already is what it is."
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:40 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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he talks about it in comparison to his/Phil Knight's style of play.
I'd like to see this about Phil Knight's style of play.
I wonder if it's comparable to Phil Jackson's triangle.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:40 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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"live and die by the 3
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erm really gets under your skin
It’s not getting under the skin when it’s not a true statement
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:46 pm to Lieutenant Dan
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I'd like to see this about Phil Knight's style of play.
I wonder if it's comparable to Phil Jackson's triangle.
Yep, Jackson. Meant Jackson.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:47 pm to TideCPA
Lets look at defensive metrics
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:57 pm to AuburnTigers
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Lets look at defensive metrics
Ok. In KenPom we are 70 slots higher on defense than the team that made the Final Four. Lo and behold we are on the 1 Line as opposed to a 4-seed
It’s almost like offense is the constant and defense is the difference between a good Oats team and a great one
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 1:30 pm to TideTurf
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Gonna be 2 really good games
The teams are the best two teams in the country. Not sure why the OP was turned into a pissing match other than it's tRant.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 1:46 pm to RTRnFlorida
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I understand basketball has changed to a degree, but my opinion is, we play too much street ball... I hope it all works out, but I would like to see a little more organized offense.
"I'm watching us play basketball at as high or higher a level than this school has ever played basketball before, and I'm wishing we would change things up and play differently."
Posted on 1/31/25 at 1:53 pm to TheTideMustRoll
You know who used to run a lot of set plays?
This guy
Also? This guy
This guy
Also? This guy
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:50 pm to SECdragonmaster
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I don’t understand this thought (and I hear it all the time). What kind of ceiling are we talking about after 20 games into the season. At some point, you are what you are (and they are very good).
The exception would be a team like the fab 5 or a Kentucky team with 5 freshman.
Alabama is an experienced team (just like Auburn). They are built for a run and expected to do just that. But there is no “super higher” plane to reach.
Basically I think it all comes down to Sears. When he's on he's nearly unguardable and makes their entire team so. We don't have a perimeter guy like that that can totally break down a defense consistently. Obviously, he's been inconsistent, to the point he got benched last week but, imo, for a college guard he's shown he has an elite gear that I haven't seen from anyone on Auburn.
That said, Aden Holloway is a vag
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 2:54 pm
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