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re: Aub Fans: Vote on a new Offense

Posted on 12/14/11 at 12:33 pm to
Posted by TheSandman
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 12:33 pm to
Pro-style all the way.
Posted by RT1941
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 12:33 pm to
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Pro-style...

I am growing tired of the spread. Our defense isn't as physical as it once was, and all SEC teams are going back to Pro-style offenses... I am pretty confident in Stoops, though.







Why do you want to change what won AU their first NC in 50+ years?

Your coaching staff has recruited players for 4 yrs now that are ideal for the offense Gus ran. Hell, some recruits came to AU just to play in the AU offense, why change now after it was proven just 10-11 months ago to be successful at the highest level in college?
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 12:36 pm to
seriously did Auburn fans not see what happened to Texas and UF after they tried to go back to pro style?
Posted by Aubie83
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 12:39 pm to
I personally hope they take the extra money they were paying Malzahn...put it toward a Stoops-like D guy and go back to the ground and pound run game...

I dont think the transition will be that difficult on the O side of the ball...and I don't what the potential for our D might be with a top notch DC...
Posted by ocelot4ark
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 12:41 pm to
They should do the Oopty Oop.
Posted by TheSandman
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 12:43 pm to
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seriously did Auburn fans not see what happened to Texas and UF after they tried to go back to pro style?

Clearly you didn't see our offense this year.

I want to get back to traditional Auburn football. A standard, run it up the gut, anemic offense that makes me want to pull my hair out with a lights-out defense. Because quite frankly, it's better than the "I'm gonna go shoot someone if we miss one more tackle" defense we've decided to run the past couple years.
Posted by taylormade
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 12:47 pm to
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quite frankly, it's better than the "I'm gonna go shoot someone if we miss one more tackle" defense we've decided to run the past couple years.


I still can not understand how Auburn got away from the basics.. Auburn History from Shug to Dye to Tubbs.. has been stop the run, run the ball
play damn good defense..

What the hell are these guys doin?
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 12:54 pm to
Well it's really a matter of what Coach Chizik wants to do as i seriously doubt he takes any fan poll, even one from the prestigious SECRant.com.

Having said that I think, from looking at his past history, he actually prefers the pro-style to some degree but is more than willing to go to the spread if that is what will win him the most games.

If I had to guess I'd say he is probably going to go with another spread style coordinator, possibly even going so far as to either promote a current assistant or go after another Gus disciple in order to give some semblance of continuity to what Auburn is doing.

He is probably also factoring in the lessons from when Tubbs tried to implement the spread at Auburn back in 08 and what Mushchamp is doing trying to go away from the spread at UF now. The simple truth of the matter is that when going from pro-style to spread or spread to pro-style, there will be a period of things being quite ugly from an offensive production standpoint.

This leads to the question of time. Does Chizik have time to allow the painful transition from the spread to a pro-style attack? There would certainly be negative ramifications to the stellar 2012 class he is putting together now in addition to the on the field issues what will come as well. In short, a transition to pro-style at this time will more than likely result in at least the next two seasons at Auburn being somewhere around .500 at best. The odds of Chizik surviving such a transition period is quite slim.

If he is smart, he will stick with the spread. The system can and does work. The key however for it to work in the SEC is to also have a solid defense. Florida, which won two BCS Championships as a spread team under Urban Meyer and Auburn last year. Both teams had success running the spread and while it has been argued that you need the right personnel to run the spread, the same is true of the pro-style. For that matter it's true of any system. and a team does not have to have a freak like Tebow or Newton to win. Florida won the 2006 with Chris Leak at QB. He was a pocket passer with little mobility. Nor was he a superstar by any measure. The only accolade he garnered that season was 2nd team All-SEC, this despite the fact they were SEC & BCS Champions. As for Tebow, who was a freshman that season, he as only used in limited running situations, much like AU used Frazier in 2011, and saw only limited time.
This post was edited on 12/14/11 at 12:56 pm
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 12:55 pm to
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Clearly you didn't see our offense this year.

I want to get back to traditional Auburn football. A standard, run it up the gut, anemic offense that makes me want to pull my hair out with a lights-out defense. Because quite frankly, it's better than the "I'm gonna go shoot someone if we miss one more tackle" defense we've decided to run the past couple years.


you can play better defense and still run the spread. or are auburn fans now realizing they really don't like that offense without a cam or a tebow?

i ain't even flamin, i am just all full of the confuzzled.
Posted by AUtigR24
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 12:55 pm to
I do not care what style Offense we run, I just want a good defense like even top 25 good defense and I would be happy.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 1:04 pm to
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you can play better defense and still run the spread. or are auburn fans now realizing they really don't like that offense without a cam or a tebow?

i ain't even flamin, i am just all full of the confuzzled.


Indeed you are correct. The system used on offense in no way correlates to how well the defense performs perhaps other than if said offensive system is not, or cannot be, run properly and thus continually puts the defense in
unfavorable situations.

As I cited above, when Florida was sitting atop the college football world and looked to be unstoppable, they were not just a spread team but a spread team with a stellar defense. They won one BCS Championship with a "typical" spread option QB in 2008 with Tebow. But they also won the 2006 BCS Championship with Chris Leak as QB. The one common factor was their stellar defense.

Auburn does not need, nor do I think it can afford, to try to drop the spread and go to the pro-style as though that would be a miracle elixir for all that ails them. Rather Auburn must address it's defense, get it back to where Auburn defense is supposed to be and traditionally always has been. That's the key, not going to the pro-style.
This post was edited on 12/14/11 at 1:05 pm
Posted by allin2010
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 1:05 pm to
The wishbone...
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
Member since Feb 2011
47325 posts
Posted on 12/14/11 at 1:07 pm to
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Auburn does not need, nor do I think it can afford, to try to drop the spread and go to the pro-style as though that would be a miracle elixir for all that ails them. Rather Auburn must address it's defense, get it back to where Auburn defense is supposed to be and traditionally always has been. That's the key, not going to the pro-style.


see this i agree with. i personally do not like the spread option for Georgia but i feel at this point Auburn cannot just abandon it. you're right, UF showed with a defense it works and even AU did with play makers on the DL. AU didn't have a great defense but a good enough one. all you need is to improve the defense.

i just think switching offenses now will lose yall players to transfer and it will be a rough transition. even UF and Texas didn't think it would be THAT bad. personally i can't wait for the day GT tries to go back to a normal offense
Posted by Stone5543
Nasty South
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 1:08 pm to
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Gulf Coast Offense

Love the name
I want something based off how Gus called the 09 Tennessee game
Posted by TheSandman
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 1:13 pm to
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they really don't like that offense without a cam or a tebow?

This. I mean, last year was good thanks to Cam, but the offenses this year and in '09 just didn't feel right. I want the kind of offense where we overpower the defense, not outsmart them. The kind where everyone in the stadium knows what play we're about to run, but the other team just can't do anything to stop it.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 1:19 pm to
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This. I mean, last year was good thanks to Cam, but the offenses this year and in '09 just didn't feel right. I want the kind of offense where we overpower the defense, not outsmart them. The kind where everyone in the stadium knows what play we're about to run, but the other team just can't do anything to stop it.


The notion that the spread is all about trickery and not power is a common misconception. Actually the opposite can be said to be true about the spread. Yes there is a good deal of misdirection involved but more than anything the true secret to the spread it is creates one on one match-ups where your one guy has to out play the other guy.

Also, just as is the case with the spread, the pro-style system also tries to disguise or misdirect the defense. it just goes about it in a different manner using things like play action and draws.


no matter the system, they all come down to the same principles of blocking & tackling
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 1:20 pm to
well you sure got that with cam or tebow

and i hear wanting to ditch a finesse offense for a more power based offense, that is why i have never wanted us to go the same route as AU, UF, or MSU did but instead other avenues. so i understand that, only issue is you really, really hurt your 2012 season and you have to be patient with a new OC and a new system and i hate being patient
Posted by marshallcotiger
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 1:20 pm to
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LSU & Bama


I wouldn't say that either of these teams run a pro style offense. Arkansas and UGA on the other hand look much more like what NFL teams run out on the field with on Sunday's.


ETA-I would like us to run an offense like Arkansas only I would like ours to be more patient against the elite defenses.
This post was edited on 12/14/11 at 1:32 pm
Posted by parkjas2001
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 1:20 pm to
Doesnt your team need a new OC? Why not focus on them?
Posted by TheSandman
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Posted on 12/14/11 at 1:30 pm to
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Vader

I get what you're saying about the spread and the defense, but I was more referring to the HUNH aspect of it. Because if it's not clicking, we die a slow and painful death in the TOP fight and our defense gets worn out early.

As for the spread power-run vs. traditional power-run, I guess my main thing is I don't particularly like having to put so much of the responsibility of the offense on the quarterback. Having to read & react to defenses versus controlling the defense is the key here. I also wanna see two tight ends lined up for blocking rather than putting that on more wideouts. Emphasize physicality.
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