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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:24 am to tmc94
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:24 am to tmc94
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If guilty, he broke a rule. Breaking rules has consequences. But let's not pretend he raped someone and dismantled her life. We all break rules daily. I freely admit to speeding this morning. If caught, I would have suffered consequences. But the idea that my friends or employer should disassociate with me because of it is simply absurd. So no, it won't bother me a bit if he plays every game.
Speeding on your way to work isn't even similar to Manziel receiving money for autographs.
He's representing your university in a poor way, his actions do affect people's perception of A&M depending on their punishment. That's a fact.
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:24 am to Keltic Tiger
quote:Sounds like an addict
He knew it was illegal & that if caught it would have serious consequences
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:26 am to Diamondawg
it was all bout the rims..nothing more and nothing less..A kid needs his rims...Let him play 
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:27 am to tmc94
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Y'all are acting like all transgressions are the same. This is a traffic ticket, not felony assault. Even if guilty, Manziel received no advantage on the playing field or in the classroom. Not in the past and not in the future. No one from Texas A&M was involved so he was not compensated for play in any way. He didn't do anything illegal. No one was harmed in any way - a purely victimless "crime."
If guilty, he broke a rule. Breaking rules has consequences. But let's not pretend he raped someone and dismantled her life. We all break rules daily. I freely admit to speeding this morning. If caught, I would have suffered consequences. But the idea that my friends or employer should disassociate with me because of it is simply absurd. So no, it won't bother me a bit if he plays every game.
I worked in a prison - I've met honest to goodness criminals. No, I am not "acting like he raped someone". If I were acting that way, I would advocate that he be put in prison. This is hardly that level.
Absurd exaggerations don't support your argument, so let's please avoid them, okay?
As far as calling it a "traffic ticket", it's not that either. A traffic ticket is knowingly breaking a rule (in this case, a law) once. Sometimes unknowingly, but that doesn't prevent you from getting the ticket.
This would be more akin to getting a LOT of traffic tickets, then claiming to be the victim when they impound your car. That is a much better "legal" analogy to Manziel's situation than comparing a one-time traffic violator to a rapist. Seriously - no one on here has said he needs to be put in jail or sodomized behind bars or put to death. They have simply stated their belief that he is guilty and therefore should not be allowed to play D1A football - because he broke rules that other athletes are following.
It would appear that you are equating his status to giving the perception it is okay for a person to get out of a speeding ticket because they are famous, but the average joe should have to pay theirs.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:44 am to skrayper
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no one on here has said he needs to be put in jail or sodomized behind bars or put to death.
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They have simply stated their belief that he is guilty and therefore should not be allowed to play D1A football
But here you are suggesting that breaking any rule should have equal punishments. It's an absurd suggestion so all you're going to get from me is an absurd analogy.
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It would appear that you are equating his status to giving the perception it is okay for a person to get out of a speeding ticket because they are famous, but the average joe should have to pay theirs.
Who said anything about getting away with it? If he's guilty, he should be punished. That punishment does not have to include sitting him. Just as every law you break doesn't result in jail time. It could, but your inane question to begin with is would you be okay if guilty if he played for Texas A&M? Of course I would because my world isn't purely black and white.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:46 am to skrayper
The problem with that is there is very little evidence that he actually signed all of these "thousands of items". Maybe he did, but it is all hearsay. They have a few pics of him signing a few things and a video of him signing a few things. There are also items available online to buy but nothing like 4,000 sequentially numbered items. So where is all the stuff? Only one broker has said he paid Manziel and he has no proof of the payment and won't cooperate with the NCAA, much less do an on record interview.
Also, Johnny's Benz still has the same rims now as it did last year so I guess he lied to the guy about wanting new rims?
I'm not saying JFF didn't do it, he may be guilty as hell. I'm just saying the evidence is circumstantial and flimsy and some of it is contradictory. I just don't care for how most of the evidence is from brokers that won't give their name or answer any questions coming out and accusing Manziel. Some of those brokers also got taken off EBay for 2 weeks for selling Johnny Football stuff after he got it trademarked.
I also think it is a valid criticism that the reports are coming from Schaad and Rovell who are journalists that should have been fired long ago for reporting false info in the past. They are more National Enquirer level guys who will find a storyline they want to push and find evidence to support it while ignoring anything that doesn't support it.
If he is guilty, fine. He just deserves to be innocent until proven guilty. I understand that isn't how the NCAA or public opinion necessarily works but that doesn't make it right. If he is proven guilty though I have no problem with him paying the consequences for that action no matter the discussion of the correctness of the rule itself.
Also, Johnny's Benz still has the same rims now as it did last year so I guess he lied to the guy about wanting new rims?
I'm not saying JFF didn't do it, he may be guilty as hell. I'm just saying the evidence is circumstantial and flimsy and some of it is contradictory. I just don't care for how most of the evidence is from brokers that won't give their name or answer any questions coming out and accusing Manziel. Some of those brokers also got taken off EBay for 2 weeks for selling Johnny Football stuff after he got it trademarked.
I also think it is a valid criticism that the reports are coming from Schaad and Rovell who are journalists that should have been fired long ago for reporting false info in the past. They are more National Enquirer level guys who will find a storyline they want to push and find evidence to support it while ignoring anything that doesn't support it.
If he is guilty, fine. He just deserves to be innocent until proven guilty. I understand that isn't how the NCAA or public opinion necessarily works but that doesn't make it right. If he is proven guilty though I have no problem with him paying the consequences for that action no matter the discussion of the correctness of the rule itself.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:48 am to tmc94
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would you be okay if guilty if he played for Texas A&M? Of course I would because my world isn't purely black and white.
Too expand a bit on this. I want him on the field, its not even a question we are a Top 5 team with him there. However, I wouldnt want to jeopardize future penalties (which could effect recruiting, which is better than it has ever been for us) to attempt to make a run this year for a player that is without a doubt leaving College Station next year.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:51 am to 3andOut
i would want him to play....what the shite difference does it make if they take away wins? you and i will both know you won the games, it just wont show up on paper...who cares?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:55 am to redfieldk717
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i would want him to play....what the shite difference does it make if they take away wins? you and i will both know you won the games, it just wont show up on paper...who cares?
If it was as simple as just voiding games of course that wouldnt be an issue. But with the NCAA trying to make charges like this stick for a while. I have a feeling IF solid evidence becomes made of this situation they will make a example out of JFF.
I am more worried about A&M playing him if more evidence comes out before the season and thus the NCAA putting the program as a whole on probation for a year, just as an example.
As of right now that is not the case because the University feels as if they have nothing to confirm the allegations. But that could change as the season approaches.
I dont care if he costs of previous games. I am more worried about him not giving a shite enough to cost us future games after he is gone. (Again which at this point wont happen, but could eventually)
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:56 am to aggressor
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The problem with that is there is very little evidence that he actually signed all of these "thousands of items". Maybe he did, but it is all hearsay.
Nope. ESPN spent $10,000 authenticating his signature when the first batch of autographed memorabilia appeared. Handwriting experts agree that the signatures are his.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:58 am to Diamondawg
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He knew it was illegal & that if caught it would have serious consequences
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Sounds like an addict
Also sounds like a freakin kid.
Very little gets through their thick skulls these days.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:59 am to JakeMongoose
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Nope. ESPN spent $10,000 authenticating his signature when the first batch of autographed memorabilia appeared. Handwriting experts agree that the signatures are his.
Doesnt change the fact they cant prove he was paid.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 11:03 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Bucky wasn't to the best of my knowledge...there just wasn't that much shite going on at the time. I passingly knew him. Played cards (spades and hearts) with him on a few occassions at The Tap over one summer. Good dude...fairly humble.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 11:05 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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IIRC, several old ags have said that Bucky Richardson was far worse than Manziel, but there was no twitter, facebook, instagram, etc. in 1991.
Yeah, I've heard the same. Really makes you wonder how differently some sports icons would be viewed had they plied their trade in the present day 24/7 media environment.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 11:06 am to 3andOut
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Nope. ESPN spent $10,000 authenticating his signature when the first batch of autographed memorabilia appeared. Handwriting experts agree that the signatures are his.
quote:Who paid Uncle Nate? He organized the signing sessions, made travel arrangements, he was the go-between for the media & JFF, he scheduled the security & bodyguards. Uncle Nate quit school to devote his undivided attention to the brand that is Johnny Football. So who paid Uncle Nate?
Doesnt change the fact they cant prove he was paid.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 11:08 am to TbirdSpur2010
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IIRC, several old ags have said that Bucky Richardson was far worse than Manziel, but there was no twitter, facebook, instagram, etc. in 1991.
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Yeah, I've heard the same. Really makes you wonder how differently some sports icons would be viewed had they plied their trade in the present day 24/7 media environment.
Oh hell, I don't even want to know about the shite Joe Namath & Snake Stabler did back in the day.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 11:08 am to TexasTiger1185
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Speeding on your way to work isn't even similar to Manziel receiving money for autographs.
He's representing your university in a poor way, his actions do affect people's perception of A&M depending on their punishment. That's a fact.
This^ The guy is a douche and has completely embarrassed A&M...I was talking to a friend about the situation, and I kept finding myself saying "at a&m of all places" etc... The guy does not fit with your program at all and has completely spit on your traditions and oaths and has done damage to A&M's image. Why would you want someone like him representing your team and university?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 11:11 am to crimsonette12
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The guy does not fit with your program at all and has completely spit on your traditions and oaths and has done damage to A&M's image. Why would you want someone like him representing your team and university?
I agree the guy doesn't fit the aTm image at all. And, I doubt many Aggies actually want him representing their school - but they gotta love him behind the line doin his magic.
If it were just about pure, unadulterated football, there are few teams that wouldn't want him chunking the rock. Not many programs want him being the face of the program.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 11:12 am to crimsonette12
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This^ The guy is a douche and has completely embarrassed A&M...I was talking to a friend about the situation, and I kept finding myself saying "at a&m of all places" etc... The guy does not fit with your program at all and has completely spit on your traditions and oaths and has done damage to A&M's image. Why would you want someone like him representing your team and university?
Calm down, drama queen. Good Lord.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 11:12 am to crimsonette12
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Why would you want someone like him representing your team and university?
Because winning is everything. Johnny Manziel gives A&M the best chance at winning.
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