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re: Arkansas and the law of averages
Posted on 11/23/20 at 7:23 am to Arksulli
Posted on 11/23/20 at 7:23 am to Arksulli
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And... as rumor has it... they were fond of giving their players good ole Vitamin S injections because no one tested for that back in the day.
Not to mention they were ahead of the curve in their body shaping-strength and conditioning programs.
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 7:36 am to Todd Greene
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Not to mention they were ahead of the curve in their body shaping-strength and conditioning programs.
That too. Imagine all those linemen they train and develop for years having the advantage of an S&C program that was light years ahead of the rest of the pack.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 8:10 am to Todd Greene
I wish Matt Luke loved coaching OL in Athens half as much as he loves Ole Miss.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 8:27 am to Razorback Reverend
National brands in any conference go through up and down cycles. They can all compete at al high level for a while but at one point a coaching change is made because the fans get bored. Then if the wrong coach is hired, the program goes into a decline and the rest of the schools don't make changes or do upgrades.
It is was what happened to us in the late 80s, early 90s when razorback fans got bored of Hatfield and started complaining. Then he left and Jack Crowe took his place. So we went from a college hall of fame coach in Broyles to Jack Crowe who would be fired after losing to the Citadel.
Then we kept making the wrong hires inluding the Nutt and didn't attempt to get better until Petrino was hired. That didn't last long and we went back to the I don't care hires until Sam was hired.
It is was what happened to us in the late 80s, early 90s when razorback fans got bored of Hatfield and started complaining. Then he left and Jack Crowe took his place. So we went from a college hall of fame coach in Broyles to Jack Crowe who would be fired after losing to the Citadel.
Then we kept making the wrong hires inluding the Nutt and didn't attempt to get better until Petrino was hired. That didn't last long and we went back to the I don't care hires until Sam was hired.
This post was edited on 11/23/20 at 8:28 am
Posted on 11/23/20 at 8:54 am to Arksulli
I remember reading a bout many towns in Nebraska would pitch in and help pay for the scholarships of many walk ons.
Also rumors of the past talked of Arkansas joining the Big 8 but Nebraska stepped in and ended those talks. I guess they didn't want another tough game and only needed to beat Oklahoma each year to stay in the national title picture. As I said these were only rumors.
But still the coaching went down the deep end when Tom Osborne retired and they fired Frank Solich prematurely. Look at who they hired and you can see why they are still in a big mess.
Also rumors of the past talked of Arkansas joining the Big 8 but Nebraska stepped in and ended those talks. I guess they didn't want another tough game and only needed to beat Oklahoma each year to stay in the national title picture. As I said these were only rumors.
But still the coaching went down the deep end when Tom Osborne retired and they fired Frank Solich prematurely. Look at who they hired and you can see why they are still in a big mess.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 9:32 am to dchog
In all honesty Arkansas really needs to invest in Little Rock. It's so underdeveloped football wise. With such a large Africa American population there and we barely pull anyone out of there because the picking is slim is our biggest issue. If they ever started loving football over there as much as they do basketball then we might have something. We would still need to recruit the rest of the country well but it would help tremendously.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:06 am to dchog
I have a co-worker who play at Nebraska under Tom Osborne in the late 1980s. He was a ninth string defensive end who never played in games. He told me he was competitive in high school, but was shocked at the talent level when he got to NU. He said the boys from Texas & California elevated the speed and intensity.
For those old enough to remember, Osborne had a reputation in the 80s of being unable to consistently win the big games which all changed in the 90s. My friend explained NU was on the forefront of a lot of strength and conditioning innovations which were attractive to those with the potential to play at the next level, hence the ability to draw talent nationally at that time. Take it for what it’s worth.
For those old enough to remember, Osborne had a reputation in the 80s of being unable to consistently win the big games which all changed in the 90s. My friend explained NU was on the forefront of a lot of strength and conditioning innovations which were attractive to those with the potential to play at the next level, hence the ability to draw talent nationally at that time. Take it for what it’s worth.
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:05 am to RoscoeSanCarlos
Osborne had a losing record against Switzer in the 80s. But that was because Oklahoma was cheating like crazy. When the NCAA layed the hammer on them, they were severely sanctioned in the 90s and Nebraska finally got an edge.
Nebraska was cheating but it wasn't cheating of the time under NCAA rules and so they found loopholes. But I think the NCAA finally stopped the loopholes and that led to the decline. It also didn't help that they hired poor coaches.
Nebraska was cheating but it wasn't cheating of the time under NCAA rules and so they found loopholes. But I think the NCAA finally stopped the loopholes and that led to the decline. It also didn't help that they hired poor coaches.
This post was edited on 11/23/20 at 11:07 am
Posted on 11/23/20 at 11:18 am to Arksulli
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Regardless, the real reason that Nebraska did as well as they did for as long as they did is that nobody was better at molesting the rules of the NCAA than Nebraska. You see back in the day you could have as many walk on players as you wanted. So Nebraska gave all their in state prospects agriculture scholarships.
This. When that rule changed, so did Nebraska football
Posted on 11/23/20 at 12:04 pm to Arksulli
Nebraska bent the rules. They took players that were criminals, wiped away their issues while in school (armed robbery, sexually assault, assaults with deadly weapons) used local scholarships to give rides to walk in’s and they used prop 48’tontake player that would have had to go to juco because they couldn’t qualify for admission to other schools.
Add in that there were only a handful of games on Tv each week and they were a premier program it allowed them to over come all their short comings.
Fast forward to damn near everyone on tv and 22 years since they were allowed to enroll criminals and idiots and look at where they are. They have all the same disadvantages, plus added new ones now that they moved their recruiting base north, but now have to fight everyone for juco players and lost the perk of being one the only schools you can be see on TV and we are in a play now era where player don’t sit for 3-4 years waiting for their turn. Their ship sailed and it’s not coming back.
Add in that there were only a handful of games on Tv each week and they were a premier program it allowed them to over come all their short comings.
Fast forward to damn near everyone on tv and 22 years since they were allowed to enroll criminals and idiots and look at where they are. They have all the same disadvantages, plus added new ones now that they moved their recruiting base north, but now have to fight everyone for juco players and lost the perk of being one the only schools you can be see on TV and we are in a play now era where player don’t sit for 3-4 years waiting for their turn. Their ship sailed and it’s not coming back.
This post was edited on 11/23/20 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 11/23/20 at 5:08 pm to dchog
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But how was that suppose to happen if they had recruiting disadvantages?
Back in their heyday, Nebraska was pretty much the premier destination out West. USC, UCLA, Washington and ASU all had some good teams, but they were not as consistently good as Nebraska.
Which leads to another advantage. The were consistently good because they had a line of good coaches. Bob Devaney and then Tom Osborne was there for 24 years. Everything went downhill when Osborne retired.
The strength and conditioning, and the cheating, obviously helped as well.
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