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re: Arian Foster admits to taking money at UT
Posted on 9/20/13 at 3:08 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Posted on 9/20/13 at 3:08 pm to Wishnitwas1998
I don't like clowns. 
He was good but he should never open his mouth.
He was good but he should never open his mouth.
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 3:13 pm to LSUFreek
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LSUFreek
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I do disagree with why the NFL doesn't have a minor league system. I just don't think there would be much money in it, so they're happy to let the NCAA serve as the intermediate step.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 3:15 pm to LSUFreek
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IF the NFL was paying hundreds to millions of dollars for football players out of high school, it would have 98% of the eligible recruits in five years and hauling in new TV contracts. What audience you think would show up at college stadiums to watch Fred, Bobby, & Joe display their recreational park level talent?
If the NFL was paying, let's just be generous, 500 million dollars a year to a minor league system, how many minor league teams would there be? How many players? Let's say there are 100 minor league teams, about 3-4 for each NFL franchise, and they have an 85 man roster(in reality why limit it, but just for familiarity lets use that)... We assume a 50/50 split like the CBA... you're looking at less than 30k a year on average. That's assuming everyone gets paid the same, but as we all know with blue chip prospects, some get paid more than others. The system, even with half a billion in operating income a year, would be unsustainable.
The giant money creating monster exits BECAUSE of college football. The MASSIVE amount of that money to athletic foundations, tv interest, ticket sales, is BECAUSE of the University.
Are you a Saints fan? Have you EVER written a check to Tom Benson to just do with as he pleases?
Posted on 9/20/13 at 3:39 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Are you a Saints fan? Have you EVER written a check to Tom Benson to just do with as he pleases?
To make your analogy equivalent, if Saints players weren't being paid, I probably would donate to the organization to make sure Benson makes the nicest facilities & hires the right GM, Coach to attract players who if they are good enough, will attract other good players.
If the NFL paid every player on the rosters from the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, PAC12 etc and put all of their current players on a minor league team in those same markets, in 5 years give or take a handful of stragglers, colleges would be devoid of talent because every player would jump at the money and level of competition. You would not be attending any CFB games and certainly not donating money to your school's athletic foundation any longer, that is a fact. You'd probably be buying your states' minor league team season tix and passionately rooting them on, without the extra volunteered charity.
The NFL would then get the billions of TV revenue, ticket sales, merchandise that the NCAA is making. Certainly not as much profit as the NCAA as the NFL would have to pay their minor league players in scale, but the NFL would profit, even if it meant increased tix prices or demanding richer TV contracts from networks.
This post was edited on 9/20/13 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 9/20/13 at 3:51 pm to LSUdm21
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These fricking college players are pissing me the frick off with their "we deserve to be paid" bullshite. You're getting something FOR frickING FREE that costs normal people $10K+ per year plus free clothes and all the other perks that come with being a big time college athlete. Oh, and he's full of shite. Athletic scholarships have included meal plans since forever and there has always been free snacks and shite. Cry me a fricking river.
Amen Brother...
Posted on 9/20/13 at 3:53 pm to LSUFreek
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If the NFL paid every player on the rosters from the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, PAC12 etc and put all of their current players on a minor league team in those same markets, in 5 years give or take a handful of stragglers, colleges would be devoid of talent because every player would jump at the money and level of competition. You would not be attending any CFB games and certainly not donating money to your school's athletic foundation any longer, that is a fact. You'd probably be buying your states' minor league team season tix and passionately rooting them on, without the extra volunteered charity.
That's the exact opposite of the truth. I have absolutely no idea how you are getting to this conclusion. As a former student, buying tickets to games, walking to a stadium, on a college kids budget, I would never drive to any city to see a minor league football team play. I've seen like two rough riders games in my life, and am a life long Texas Rangers fan. I have personal ownership in Texas A&M University. My degree is from there. I have a sense of pride and ownership to the University no minor league team would ever come close to mimicking. I don't only donate to the 12th Man Foundation, but I donate equal amounts to the Association of Former Students. If it is a team of walk ons playing a team of walk ons from the swamp, you bet your damn arse I'd root for the name on the front of the jersey beating the swamp kittens.
You realize in the northeast, those people are insane about baseball, right? High school baseball in Boston is like high school football in Texas. At best, and probably only in isolated areas like Texas, your scenario would get you something similar to the Nantucket League. Zero fricks are given about minor league baseball. Zero fricks would be given about minor league football. Do you really think there would be a sell out for a minor league team that went 4-8 the year before? That people would donate MILLIONS for a box suite for a MINOR LEAGUE team? There are suites at Tiger Stadium and Kyle Field more expensive than NFL suites. You're really off base here, and I know you're a smart guy I love your work, but you're hinging your argument on something crazy here.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 3:56 pm to ohiovol
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but I do disagree with why the NFL doesn't have a minor league system. I just don't think there would be much money in it, so they're happy to let the NCAA serve as the intermediate step.
Oh sure, the NCAA is making off like a bandit. The NFL would never see that kind of profit, but it would be profitable, and more money in their owners pockets.
But the universal outrage from football fans watching Goodell & the NFL destroy their beloved CFB system would literally have riots at NFL offices, maybe even deaths.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 3:58 pm to TeLeFaWx
quote:Also...If this kid gets his degree he's basically set for life as far as a career after school goes in the state he attended school. This is the kind of kid who goes to the front of the line for any corporation hiring...
Think of the WORST starter on your team. Starter, but not a prayer at the NFL. On the truly "free market" he would be a semi-pro player at best. What is the value of THAT guys talent for a fan if he is playing for a minor league team? None. He is a starter on a good team, zero market for his talent, and he's getting a pretty fricking sweet deal.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 3:59 pm to LSUFreek
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Oh sure, the NCAA is making off like a bandit. The NFL would never see that kind of profit, but it would be profitable, and more money in their owners pockets.
There is absolutely no way it would be profitable. It would generate almost zero interest.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:04 pm to dallasga6
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..If this kid gets his degree he's basically set for life as far as a career after school goes in the state he attended school.
This+1000. Give a man a fish or teach a man to fish is what it boils down to. The only reason people want to pay student athletes is they know everyone is taking money against the rules. They don't want the punishment that come with the transgression.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:08 pm to Azazello
Agreed, the cafeteria in Gibbs is the best on campus by far and athletes get their food FREE.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:09 pm to dallasga6
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Also...If this kid gets his degree he's basically set for life as far as a career after school goes in the state he attended school. This is the kind of kid who goes to the front of the line for any corporation hiring...
shite. Anywhere. I've seen Jevan Snead down in the oil field in south Texas working for a consulting company. With a degree from Ole Miss? Let's be honest, nothing he learned in a classroom at Oxford has ever come in handy.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:13 pm to TeLeFaWx
So let's say the NCAA caves on the issue. Which they won't. What happens when the women's water polo team shows up and wants to get paid too? I think title 9 or something won't let a school pick and choose who gets what deal in college athletics. Which is why profitable sports like football fund other college sports most people don't want to watch.
**ETA** I actually found an article where this is laid out.
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**ETA** I actually found an article where this is laid out.
LINK
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:17 pm to TeLeFaWx
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So an endowment that has been growing for almost 200 years is only double of what Texas A&M received in donations last year?
I don't take it as a slam to the SEC at all. I think you are making a terrible argument that ignores the basic FACT that prospective college students care about athletics, and mommy and daddy's money follows.
CWR receives $154 million a year just from the NIH. That isn't an endowment.
Kudos to Texas A&M and their fundraising efforts last year. However, they are not alone and you know it.
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But for Ohio State, the university's $2.5 billion fundraising campaign, will take Ohio State from excellence to eminence--using research and innovation to solve major world problems while supporting students and faculty on a world-class campus.
Still my point is that football money is a drop in the bucket and you're helping to prove my point.
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:17 pm to TeLeFaWx
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If it is a team of walk ons playing a team of walk ons from the swamp, you bet your damn arse I'd root for the name on the front of the jersey beating the swamp kittens.
You'd be in the minority. No one is showing up for rec park level football. I'm proud I graduated from Charity School of nursing, but I'd be damned if I'm going to watch some half-wit pickup game barren of talent.
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Zero fricks would be given about minor league football.
So if the state of Alabama had one minor league team, and had a combined roster that includes Marshall, McCarron, Yeldon, Mason, Payne, Mosely, ect and they were playing Georgia's state team that included Aaron Murray, Gurley, Marshall, etc.. are you seriously trying to tell me that zero fricks would be given? You wouldn't root on your local minor league team against Georgia's minor league team? It's all the players on the rosters you love now, only added even more talent.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:21 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Only the ignorant still think these kids shouldn't be compensated.
Because Arian Foster blew his grocery money on tats?
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:23 pm to VABuckeye
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Still my point is that football money is a drop in the bucket and you're helping to prove my point.
Well your original point is that "athletics is a drain on the budget", and I'm certain every now and then you could make a balance sheet look like that if you really tried, but it is so far from the truth it is laughable. Football is a HUGE draw for students. It may not be to all, but in the aggregate it is simply the truth. If The Ohio State University didn't have a football program, and Ohio University did, all of the sudden the Bobcats with in the B1G were playing the Wolverines every year, you don't think that would affect how the people in the great state of Ohio chose where the applied to college? You're insane.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:26 pm to TeLeFaWx
The football program is a drain on the budget for most universities. For the blue bloods? No. For Maryland? Yes. The BTN money is bailing out their football program. 
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:27 pm to PropJoe
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Still doesnt mean they have no right to be paid for their services.
They have no right to be paid for their services.
They have no constitutional right to play college football.
They enter into an agreement with the university, an agreement which stipulates what services they will provide...play football...and what they will receive in return...free room, board, books, tuition. No one forces them into said agreement. They can always get a job at McDonalds and pay for college the old fashioned way.
ROTFLMAO at anyone who says that college football players have a "right" to be paid for their services. They have no such thing. Maybe you think they should, but in America, in 2013, they have no such thing.
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:27 pm to TeLeFaWx
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There is absolutely no way it would be profitable. It would generate almost zero interest.
You are still operating under the misguided idea that colleges would still get talented players or that masses of people would fill college stadiums to watch Pete, Paul, & Poopy play touch-football. They wouldn't.
All of the talented players & talented coaches would be on minor league rosters. The nation would watch, just as it does now, only the management group would be a different name. Which means TV revenue, etc goes to where the talent is, meaning colleges can no longer afford new stadiums or events that no one shows up to. Thus everyone would watch minor league football and root on their favorite teams.
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