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re: Are the stadiums in the SEC secure enough?
Posted on 6/4/17 at 1:38 pm to Section225
Posted on 6/4/17 at 1:38 pm to Section225
quote:I do agree with you to an extent.
I think Muslims would stick out like a sore thumb at SEC venues. Would be easy to recognize and have the police all over them. (Not meant to be racist but its just the honest truth)
But... ever seen a Chechen? They are Caucasian (from the Caucuses). Uyugar's are of turkic heritage but look very asian. I've met S African terrorists that pretty much look like a German poster (they all seem to work for DeBeers).
Point being going off looks is a tactic that WILL be used against us. They know damn well you are right, an arab loitering in the path of the band as it marches to the stadium is going to stick out. So they will not use that. It's either stealth or surprise.
I think students need to be taught what to look for. Walking without arms swinging, clothes that don't match the weather/season, etc. Never happen in this culture. At best they'll scream 'profiling' like that's a bad thing. At worst they'll scream 'racist genocide', but they will scream. The crying comes later when chunks of flesh are hanging in the live oaks and that strange copper smell won't go away.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 1:42 pm to weagle99
none of the stadiums are very secure here.
security is a joke everywhere.
security is a joke everywhere.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 2:07 pm to Section225
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I think Muslims would stick out like a sore thumb at SEC venues. Would be easy to recognize and have the police all over them. (Not meant to be racist but its just the honest truth)
As someone else has pointed out... you'd be wrong. Islam is a religion, not an ethnic group.
Egypt is the only Arabic country to break into the top 6 countries with the largest Muslim populations and then only a by little bit over Nigeria.
Even if it was an Arabic terrorist if he were to shave his beard and dress like the locals he'd pretty much look like anyone out there with any sort of Mediterranean ethnic heritage.
The best way to find and stop radical Muslim terrorists is the best way to stop any radical shitehead terrorist... keep an eye on local hotheads and follow up tips from the community.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 2:12 pm to weagle99
Think of the crowds of people pouring out of the stadiums after games. The real threat isn't inside a stadium, it is the mass of people heading in and out of the stadium all at once.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 2:32 pm to weagle99
The most obvious attack is a small plane crashing into a packed stadium, there is no way to stop that.
The reality is there is no fool proof security against people willing to die to harm.
I'm not planning to live my life in fear.
The reality is there is no fool proof security against people willing to die to harm.
I'm not planning to live my life in fear.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 2:35 pm to Midnight Delight
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I beg to differ, you were harboring ISIS members
Totally forgot about that,
Posted on 6/4/17 at 2:45 pm to ecb
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The most obvious attack is a small plane crashing into a packed stadium, there is no way to stop that.
My fear is the use of a drone to carry a remote controlled bomb into an open-air stadium. That could take out lots of people.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:03 pm to Arksulli
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The best way to find and stop radical Muslim terrorists is the best way to stop any radical shitehead terrorist... keep an eye on local hotheads and follow up tips from the community.
Correct. Keep your eyes open, and don't be concerned about reporting something that seems suspicious even if it seems silly.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:04 pm to Kentucker
Mine is at the gates. Two scenarios actually.
Scenario one is going in (not coming out). Crowds lined up funneled into a narrowing opening (turnstiles, gates near turnstiles, or tunnels/ramps).
It's simple enough to start mowing down people outside aiming in. The push of the crowd to get away, by pushing into the funnel, will trap many. Only way to mitigate that is an additional rink where smaller groups are allowed to approach the gate.
The other is actually a coordinated attack where if they have enough manpower they just lock the gates during or just before end of game. Chain and your own padlock is all that is needed. Yeah many will escape; but can you imagine a group of people who do not care about living holding 10k people hostage? Especially when they know it's going to end with them getting assaulted and dying (which is the goal). They will torture many to death unless the trapped rush them before they can barricade themselves into secure spots.
Every time I enter the stadium and I see those wrought iron gates open, but not locked open, I think of this. I wish the cops or at least stadium security would at least lock them open in a manner where they could only be shut by authorized personnel.
Cameras are in place, instant audience and publicity. Many tailgaters to witness it, even more publicity. Hence the brutal killing methods and likely torture. It would make the Beslan school siege look like a miniature play-act.
Scenario one is going in (not coming out). Crowds lined up funneled into a narrowing opening (turnstiles, gates near turnstiles, or tunnels/ramps).
It's simple enough to start mowing down people outside aiming in. The push of the crowd to get away, by pushing into the funnel, will trap many. Only way to mitigate that is an additional rink where smaller groups are allowed to approach the gate.
The other is actually a coordinated attack where if they have enough manpower they just lock the gates during or just before end of game. Chain and your own padlock is all that is needed. Yeah many will escape; but can you imagine a group of people who do not care about living holding 10k people hostage? Especially when they know it's going to end with them getting assaulted and dying (which is the goal). They will torture many to death unless the trapped rush them before they can barricade themselves into secure spots.
Every time I enter the stadium and I see those wrought iron gates open, but not locked open, I think of this. I wish the cops or at least stadium security would at least lock them open in a manner where they could only be shut by authorized personnel.
Cameras are in place, instant audience and publicity. Many tailgaters to witness it, even more publicity. Hence the brutal killing methods and likely torture. It would make the Beslan school siege look like a miniature play-act.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:10 pm to Kentucker
After the ariana Grande concert bombing I thought about how easy a target stadiums are.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:11 pm to weagle99
Terrorist would never attack a LSU game. All the fans are bombed before they get to the stadium and there are exactly zero virgins available.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:23 pm to Section225
quote:I see you have an LSU tag on your name...
I think Muslims would stick out like a sore thumb at SEC venues. Would be easy to recognize and have the police all over them. (Not meant to be racist but its just the honest truth)
are you serious about your post? There are a lot of Middle-Easterners in the Baton Rouge area, and a good bit of them in and around LSU. In my day, I remember there being a lot of grad students in math and chemistry being of that descent.
Not to stereotype, but it wouldn't draw any notice at all for someone of middle-east heritage to walk around campus in slightly nerdy clothes and a backpack, heading for the library or chemistry building, during gameday.
And that's likely what somebody would look like, if they were up to no good. They're not going to roll up in some Toyota with a 50 cal bolted to the bed, wearing their ISIS tee shirts.
It's sad that I even think of things like that, but that's now the world we live in.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:33 pm to BobLeeDagger
BobLee, didn't a couple of former MSU students get arrested in Columbus a few years back with ties to ISIS?
Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:34 pm to agswin
as for on-campus venues, honestly, there's sadly a giant risk that can't be addressed.
Just taking LSU for example- as I said, there are plenty of foreign students, usually live on or near campus, not necessarily involved in the big sporting scene like "locals". But this is their campus too, and they will be out and about, even on gamedays.
Campus is crawling with folks on gameday. The Parade Grounds are milling with people. It's part of the tail-gating experience (or it was, haven't been the past couple of years).
You don't have to hit the stadium itself, if over a hundred thousand people are on campus that day. The Parade Grounds, or over by the Law School, where there are active students mingling with the fans, would be a huge blow.
Just taking LSU for example- as I said, there are plenty of foreign students, usually live on or near campus, not necessarily involved in the big sporting scene like "locals". But this is their campus too, and they will be out and about, even on gamedays.
Campus is crawling with folks on gameday. The Parade Grounds are milling with people. It's part of the tail-gating experience (or it was, haven't been the past couple of years).
You don't have to hit the stadium itself, if over a hundred thousand people are on campus that day. The Parade Grounds, or over by the Law School, where there are active students mingling with the fans, would be a huge blow.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:34 pm to weagle99
It honestly wouldn't be hard at all to set up an attack on gameday. A truck or explosives as people are leaving a big game would be devastating. Probably hundreds dead
Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:35 pm to Scoob
If one were to pull a stunt on our sacred Fall Saturdays, they'd better pull it off and die in the process. Lest their head gets removed from their body and sent to the local taxidermist.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:44 pm to weagle99
I would think the mega industrial areas like Houston would be a smarter hit than a college stadium. I've been in plants with less security than LSU has.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:48 pm to weagle99
I quit going to games because I don't want to get blown up.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:00 pm to weagle99
No point in terrorizing the grove, the ncaa is going to do that.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:18 pm to Scoob
Both main grandstands at Razorback stadium have a street running adjacent to them that are shared by vehicles and crowds before and after the game. Both streets are sharply downhill towards the stadium.
Added bonus, you can sit "above" most of the stadium seating and have an open window into the stadium from the hillside to the NE.
Added bonus, you can sit "above" most of the stadium seating and have an open window into the stadium from the hillside to the NE.
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