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re: And here we go…LSU will require vax proof for entry into Tiger Stadium
Posted on 8/24/21 at 4:53 pm to JesusQuintana
Posted on 8/24/21 at 4:53 pm to JesusQuintana
quote:How'd their team do last season?
Although, a George Mason professor just won a lawsuit against the mandates.
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 4:55 pm to dawgfan24348
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97% of Covid patients right now are not vaccinated. So yeah that argument dies there
I've seen multiple different numbers for this just this thread alone
99.9% of any person with COVID doesn't go to the hospital, so there's that too
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Yeah let's risk not getting a vaccine on the off chance your body may have produced Covid antibodies
COVID anti-bodies from actually having the virus are much better than an mRNA vaccine therapy treatment. Doctors will even tell you that
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Sparking of which why are you risking the lives of people with complications such as auto immune problems just so you can pretend that you're making some kind of heroic stand?
WHy would someone with an auto-immune disorder go to mass gatherings right now? That seems much more irresponsible than someone not getting a vaccine.
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It only became political when people like you made it such
Maybe, but government involvement has been based on inconsistent and constantly changing science. So when people say this isn't and hasn't been about the science, there is merit to it because it's been largely bad science that has led to major and drastic governmwent overreach with extreme financial and economic ramifications, something none of the politicians making the rules have to deal with
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:08 pm to JesusQuintana
Id have to be vaccinated for a lot more things before I'd set foot in that hellhole. Baton Rouge is a dumpster fire with a dead homeless guy inside
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:09 pm to 3down10
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Sure, but it doesn't mean your view doesn't get warped by it.
Warped is a lazy term. I’d call it more of a complete view, due to any skepticism of severity having no place. Warped carries implications of something being wrong. Does it influence my views? Absolutely. How could it not?
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:15 pm to JesusQuintana
Dont know anybody that has had a pcr test come back within 72 hours so frick that noise.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:16 pm to lsufball19
quote:No, they aren't.
COVID anti-bodies from actually having the virus are much better than an mRNA vaccine therapy treatment. Doctors will even tell you that
Just stop spreading lies.
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This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:19 pm to Flying DeLorean
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Warped is a lazy term. I’d call it more of a complete view, due to any skepticism of severity having no place. Warped carries implications of something being wrong. Does it influence my views? Absolutely. How could it not?
I have yet to see anyone dispute the severity of the illness itself. People obviously die from it, nobody disputes it.
The degree to which it affects the overall population and what is the correct way to deal with it as a society as a whole is where the dispute is.
For some people, I think the vaccine makes a lot of sense. If I was high risk, I would probably get it.
Instead, I'm lower risk, and I've already had the virus. I have natural immunity, and yet I still have people telling me I need the virus, I have to get the virus, that I'm the problem, and all this other bullshite.
It's not science driven. They don't recommend people who have had chicken pox get vaccinated for chicken pox.
So what is it driven by? The vaccine is out, people who want it can have access to it. Everything beyond that is fear driven bullshite.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:22 pm to CrimsonBoz
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2. You posted that and have no idea what it means. He is as much an infectious disease expert as I am a whale hunter. Btw I’ve never hunted a whale.
You went to college at Alabama, drank beer and are going to sit here and tell me you never hunted a whale around 1:50AM?
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:23 pm to JesusQuintana
Well that would be end of all the bama fans too bad game is away
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:23 pm to lsufball19
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COVID anti-bodies from actually having the virus are much better than an mRNA vaccine therapy treatment. Doctors will even tell you that
Can you link some studies from this? I have actually been getting some mixed info on this.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:23 pm to 3down10
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They did not kick out people with life threatening conditions for covid patients.
He stated they shut down transplant surgeries, dumbass.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:24 pm to Slackaveli
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No, they aren't.
Just stop spreading lies.
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Your link says the vaccine is responsible for the variants many of you keep blaming the unvaccinated for.
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But that's partly why all the variants are arising now, because we have only the spike epitopes in there. And so it's easy for the virus to get around that. So, it's two ways, that story. So those are the things that we've talked about.
In response to only targeting the protein spike.
I'm still reading for the rest, but I thought that was interesting.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:25 pm to SneezyBeltran
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He stated they shut down transplant surgeries, dumbass.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:27 pm to 3down10
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I have yet to see anyone dispute the severity of the illness itself. People obviously die from it, nobody disputes it.
Have you not seen the talk from the “covid isn’t real, it’s just the flu!” Crowd? That absolutely dominates the social media and major media outlet commentary by the masses At least here regionally. There’s an unnerving number of people who dispute the whole thing. And it is simply due to their narrow scope of experience. Confirmation bias is the lynchpin of the idiocy of so many tinfoil hat conspiracy theory types that are so vocal. I respectfully am not pointing any fingers at you personally when I say that. Simply suggesting there are indeed many people who do doubt not only the severity, but the existence of a real pandemic at all.
I will agree with you on one point. If you have natural immunity, I see no reason to be vaccinated. I support my healthcare system in creating a vaccine requirement. However I disagree that people who can show active antibodies should have to get it. I wouldn’t tell them NOT to. If I caught it naturally I’d likely still get vaccinated after 90 days. But if you have active immunity, it shouldn’t be a requirement to be vaccinated.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:27 pm to dawgfan24348
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97% of Covid patients right now are not vaccinated. So yeah that argument dies there
You should check out the numbers from Israel.
Highly Vaccinated Israel Is Seeing A Dramatic Surge In New COVID Cases. Here's Why
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Israel was the first country on Earth to fully vaccinate a majority of its citizens against COVID-19. Now it has one of the world's highest daily infection rates — an average of nearly 7,500 confirmed cases a day, double what it was two weeks ago. Nearly one in every 150 people in Israel today has the virus.
Why?
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1. Immunity from the vaccine dips over time.
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2. The delta variant broke through the vaccine's waning protection.
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The bad news, doctors say, is that half of Israel's seriously ill patients who are currently hospitalized were fully vaccinated at least five months ago.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:29 pm to Slackaveli
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No, they aren't.
Just stop spreading lies.
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I read further. It says it depends on the virus and they don't know if it's better or worse.
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And we don't know enough yet. So I think if people are making a blanket statement that natural infection is always better, that's not always correct. It really depends on the virus.
Not always correct, meaning the majority of time it is correct. But there are circumstances and cases where it is not true. HPV was an example he gave.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:31 pm to Slackaveli
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Just stop spreading lies.
I'm not, and your article contains a bunch of "we're not sure right now" responses to every question, hardly a rebuttal or proof I'm "spreading lies"
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Also: Some people already have 'natural immunity' – that is, immunity from prior COVID infection. During every month of this pandemic, I've had debates with other public researchers about the effectiveness and durability of natural immunity. I've been told that natural immunity could fall off a cliff, rendering people susceptible to infection. But here we are now, over a year and a half into the clinical experience of observing patients who were infected, and natural immunity is effective and going strong. And that's because with natural immunity, the body develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus, not just a spike protein constructed from a vaccine. The power of natural immunity was recently affirmed in an Israeli study, which found a 6.7 times greater level of protection among those with natural immunity vs. those with vaccinated immunity.
Requiring the vaccine in people who are already immune with natural immunity has no scientific support. While vaccinating those people may be beneficial – and it's a reasonable hypothesis that vaccination may bolster the longevity of their immunity – to argue dogmatically that they must get vaccinated has zero clinical outcome data to back it. As a matter of fact, we have data to the contrary: A Cleveland Clinic study found that vaccinating people with natural immunity did not add to their level of protection.
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This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:32 pm to 3down10
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:32 pm to dawgfan24348
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97% of Covid patients right now are not vaccinated. So yeah that argument dies there
I'm not seeing data anywhere close to that. It appears hospitalized patients are the exact same proportion of vaccinated as the general population.
Science is forming an idea/theory and finding ways to test it, all the while accepting new information and figuring out how it refutes/supports/changes existing theory.
It is not "the science is settled." Ever.
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