re: An honest observation. Does Bama really matter?

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LuckyLes (and a Bama fan who thinks Les Miles is lucky, I may add) states:

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Yeah, did you watch the games last year? I know I did. How many teams lose their last regular season game and play for a NC? I bet Les Miles was being killed on this site after that game. That being said, I think he's a good coach.

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I can think of a gazillion reasons.. all that are NOT applicable to now. I again point out the similarities between LSU and UF. In the 1990s LSU did not have the facilties or the coaches, and hell, the athletic department was basically broke in 1989.

Florida was nothing until 1985.... see the point?

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Well why do Miami and FSU suck now? It just happens in cycles man. A couple big time QB recruits don't pan out, a coach let's a bunch of thugs in, whatever.

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I Completely disagree. An earlier (and controversial post) commented on this a couple months ag. It has to do with the changing of college football. LSU makes the coaches. Not vice versa. LSU made Saban, and LSU made Miles. Hell even DiNardo went 10-2 and 9-3 until he hired Lou Tepper and crashed and burned in 1998 with perhaps the most talent in the SEC that year.

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LSU makes coaches?????? Who did LSU make pre Saban. I lived in NOLA during the end of the DiNardo era, everyone hated him. I laugh at the fact that he's placed on a pedestal now.

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Does anyone ever think UF is ever going to go 6-6 or 5-7 ever again? No way. A bad year from here on out will be 8-5, or even 9-4 like they were last year. What I am saying a bad year for Bama is now 6-6 or 7-6. That's simply should not ever happen at LSU, ever again.

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I can guarantee you that both UF and LSU will eventually finish a season below .500. What do you think LSU's record will be this year? I'm guessing you think at least 10 and contending for the NC.

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And I totally understand LSU will eventually not be on top. LSU will eventually have that 8-5 record somewhere down the line I am sure.

Just not anytime soon.

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It's a very real possibility this year.

Lucky Les is simply another Bama dreamer. Many still think that Saban will deliver. Knowing full and well he delivered exactly twice in his entire life... he sure isn't as "lucky" as Les!

Lucky, you simply have no clue. It's obvious you never played real football, nor know how a college football program is run.

As we've stated several times over- Les will continue to win 10 games a year. And you and a few other flamers will look like idiots.

Nick Saban probably will never approach that 10 win figure anywhere,ever again.

You and 2.5 million Bama fans have been taken-- hook line and sinker.

And when Bamadoes fail yet again the people who support LSU will echo a HUGE thank you-- for proving what we've said all along- that LSU is now a better program than Bama is.

It's been this way for a long time now. Welcome to the new SEC generation, where Bama simply is not LSU.

Deal with it.

Rod....

<<Every program is one coach away from dropping to the middle or bottom.

Let Les have back to back 7 win seasons and see what happens. LSU wont be so appealing to big time recruits anymore. Sure you will get the La. talent but the college football world changes alot easier than you think>>


Rod, that's where you're missing the point.
LSU could win the national championship with Louisiana talent. Ever since the door was shut, LSU gets the Louisiana kids. Many times 10 players from Louisiana are in the Top 100.

LSU failed to keep recruits in house in the 1980s. The demise of the football team in 1989
had to do with poor coaches, poor facilties and no loyalty in state. All of that changed with
the advancement of the program.

If LSU were to fall off its pedestal, the talent is there to get back up, like Texas, USC and UF.

And as a couple of posters have already stated, many former players laugh at fans and the press. They all say Miles is one of the top coaches in the country, and is probably the best planner they have ever met.

Toss in his recruiting skills, it's easy to see why LSU simply reloads.

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Bama does matter. Without them I would have no one to hate or laugh at.

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No Bama does not matter and hasn't mattered for quite a while now.

What is preventing Alabama from being a top team in the SEC West? A coach that has two SEC titles, 2 Sugar Bowl wins, and a national championship. In two seasons of recruiting, he is bringing in good/great talent. Is the fact that we haven't beaten Auburn and LSU lately reason enough for us to surrender the SEC West?

AHM....

<<What's preventing us from being a top team in the SEC West?

That would be LSU and Auburn. Try to imagine you're South Carolina asking Florida or Georgia that.
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AHM continues....

<< Is the fact that we haven't beaten Auburn and LSU lately reason enough for us to surrender the SEC West?>>

Lately? Are you serious?

Should we go over the records over the last decade? Funny how everyone dissed LSU for their performance from 1989 to 1994, (6 years) while Bama was "naturally " on top. But if Bama goes south from 2003-2008 (6 years) they need enough reasons... despite the fact they still have done nothing to make us believe anything has changed- to have them actually believe they have to surrender a title they aren't even close to anymore?

This is why many LSU fans don't respect Bama fans.

Need more proof?

[/b]Over the last quarter century, Bama is looking up to LSU in these following sectors:

Head to head. LSU leads, 13-12-1
SEC Titles: LSU 5 (or 6, 1984)to Bamas' 2
National Champ LSU leads 2 to 1
Sugar Bowls/BCS LSU leads, 6 to 3
Top 5 finishes LSU tied 5 to 5
Top 10 finishes LSU trails 7 to 9
Top 25 finishes LSU leads 14 to 10

LSU leads Bama is just about every imaginable cateory, because LSU was just as good or better than Bama was in the 1980s... people forget that.

Now, before you state why I'm jumping on the 25 year bandwagon, I will once again remind all the bubbagumps it's about the NOW.

So pick your poison.

We could go back last year, 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 15 years, 20 years, it does not matter..... LSU simply leads Alabama in just about every imaginable category.

The facts are there.

Even counting the years LSU sucked, we still have sucked less than Bama over the last quarter century.

Which therefore, begs to answer your last question about you surrendering... with another question:

Seeing you haven't owned shite in a very long time, what does Bama have to surrender?

N-o-t-h-i-n-g.

You had a nice run for a few years in the 1990s, but over most (or at least half if your under the age of 50) your life, LSU has been overall the better program.

Try to understand. Most SEC fans would think 5 years is a long time, 10 is a very long time and 15 years starts to push a complete generation (for Bama inbreds). In the modern era, over the last 25 years, better put, a quarter century, Bama trails LSU.

Why? It's very simple.

Bama IS NOT LSU.

Period.

I understand that you can say that Auburn and LSU are better now than they were when Alabama dominated the SEC. Even then, Mike Shula was able to be competitive against LSU.

2004, leading on a play that was a pass interference and would have put Alabama on top 17-6 in Baton Rouge. Instead, the no call leads to an LSU interception, touchdown, and they go on to win 26-10.

2005, Alabama takes a 10-0 lead to halftime and in true Shula fashion, is shut down in the second half, losing 16-13 in overtime.

2007, Alabama was 2:00 from being 7-2 and a game up in the West.

Football is a 60 minute game and as of late, our problem has been closing teams out and finishing.

Mike Shula was good and bad for Alabama. He got us through probation but at the same time, he was a terrible all around coach that relied on the defense of Joe Kines and the play making abilities of Tyrone Prothro. With both, he was a solid coach. Without Prothro, he was barely better than Ed Orgeron.

AHM says....

2004, leading on a play that was a pass interference and would have put Alabama on top 17-6 in Baton Rouge. Instead, the no call leads to an LSU interception, touchdown, and they go on to win 26-10.

You failed to mention your team sold out for your coach Shula in an super effort for 2.5 quarters, but was getting totally steamrolled in the 4th quarter in that 26-10 loss. We pulled the dogs off early in the 4th quarter. Had we gone another 15 minutes, LSU could have had 50.

AHM continues...
2005, Alabama takes a 10-0 lead to halftime and in true Shula fashion, is shut down in the second half, losing 16-13 in overtime.

Interesting. You're distorting a few facts. Bama was a top 10 team that finished many games that year,all the way to the Cotton Bowl. Your 10-0 lead at halftime was, (like the game that same year against Florida when you drilled them)was indictive of a good, well coached and prepared Shula team a top 10 Bama team playing at home.

Shula had NOTHING to do with that loss. He in fact coached a great game, protected you QB as much as he could and kept Bama in the game against a simply superiort opponet. You lost because Les Miles and Bo Pellini made 2nd half adjustments.

As usual, you failed against LSU and Auburn- because LSU and AUBURN SIMPLY WERE BETTER.

LSU shut you down completely. Something Shula, Saban or Bear coundn't do anything about in 2006.
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And the last AHM example....

2007, Alabama was 2:00 from being 7-2 and a game up in the West.

Oh sure. That close.

Now, let's look at what REALLY happened.

I invite you to see how incredibly one sided the
2007 game actually was. You got a ridiculous personal foul and hit a 67 yard home run on the next play; Matt Flynn tossed three picks, 2 of which originated in LSU scoring range and resulted in Bama setting shop up inside the LSU 20, and the only punt return returned for a TD in Miles' three year coaching tenure.

You were trailing 17-3 when Flynn went haywire.
From that point on... you scored 31 points...
while amassing a total of 182 yards. LSU, in the same time span, had nearly 500. And of thst 182--you got 67 yards on one (1) lucky play.
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And the last AHM comment...

Football is a 60 minute game and as of late, our problem has been closing teams out and finishing.

Intresting....of late? Or a continuous trend that's lasted for almost a decade now?

But now you have a great "finishing" coach... right?

So..... let's talk about how Saban and Bama actually FINISHED THAT GAME... in the 4th quarter...

5 possessions...THIRTY (30) YARDS of total offense for Bama.

LSU 2004 revisited. Miami revisited. Nothing
has changed with Saban.

Had we teed it up again the very next day, we would have won the game by 40.

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Bottom line:

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. They say LSU is lucky-- yet LSU simply wins these games, while Bama does not. And this has been going on for along time.

This also sets up the perfect illusion for Bama fans. They think they're going to get better and get every break known to man, that every call is going their way, and that Saban will make Bama finish games.

Nope.


Everything, and I mean everything.. points to the exact opposite.

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So...you wanted our attention.
Yep... now you have it.

And like VT, it WILL majorly suck to be a Bama player coach or fan on November 8, 2008. The only difference is that it is very probable Miles WILL NOT call the dogs off.

LSU has MILES more talent.
The LSU players are HUNTING BAMA.
LSU COACHES are HUNTING BAMA.
LSU FANS are HUNTING BAMA.

As I stated already once, we could and just might hang half a hundred on your team.

Bama does matter, but in the [b]WORST POSSIBLE WAY.

Come November...and again, I'm not kidding here.....LSU will destoy Alabama. It may be their worst loss in modern history.

loosers do love the past. get over it. bear is dead
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