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All this talk about how the 12-team playoff will fix everything...

Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:54 am
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:54 am
If we had a 12-team playoff this year, it would be LSU, Ole Miss, and Missouri fans arguing back and forth about resume and head-to-head (I guess Missouri and Ole Miss already are, actually). The more things change, the more they will stay the same.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:55 am to
Have they established that every conference champion will be given an automatic spot?
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:56 am to
quote:

If we had a 12-team playoff this year, it would be LSU, Ole Miss, and Missouri fans arguing back and forth about resume and head-to-head (I guess Missouri and Ole Miss already are, actually). The more things change, the more they will stay the same.


Actually no. Lousiville is the fly in the ointment being outside the top 11 taking a spot. That wouldn't happen next year.
Posted by Faurot fodder
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:56 am to
Yes, this squabble between Mizzou and Ole Miss is just a precursor of what's to come.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:56 am to
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All this talk about how the 12-team playoff will fix everything...


only idiots think that. It doesn't fix anything, it just devalues the regular season and will potentially lead to teams rematching with enormous stakes a game that's alreayd happened. Even more so than it happens now.

The biggest thing to me is, if you're ranked 12th after 13 weeks of action you dont desreve to be national champin. Period, end of story. 4 is perfect for the same reason, if you're 5th...you fricked up somewhere.
Posted by Pimphand
Member since Sep 2021
683 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:57 am to
The thing is most teams won't give a flying rats arse about the also-rans arguing about who is 13th and who is 12th.

All the CFP did was push it down from 2/3 to 4/5 at least pushing it down to 12/13 if you can't qualify then well frick you eat shite and bay at the moon scrub.
Posted by Jrv2damac
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:57 am to
Any sport with a postseason using at large bids has this debate



Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
13996 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:58 am to
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it just devalues the regular season


Not it doesn't. It opens a ton of important games for tons of teams in November that right now mean nothing.

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4 is perfect for the same reason, if you're 5th...you fricked up somewhere.


For like the same 8 teams every year.

You are correct though. Finishing 12th means you probably have 3 losses and can't complain. But people still will.
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 10:59 am
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42554 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:58 am to
It's gonna be the same deal, do you reward wins and losses or do you reward schedule strength

LSU played Fla St, if not they would likely have two losses

Ole miss played ga tech and tulane

Mizzou played Kansas St

It's no incentive for LSU to schedule Fla St when it's much easier to schedule someone easier

Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50383 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:00 am to
The difference is we'll be arguing about teams that probably don't matter. Does anyone think Mizzou, Ole Miss, or Lsu could challenge for a title? In a lot of years, the teams in the 5-6 or 5-8 range could challenge. This year is the perfect example. 12 is probably too many, but its the system we have for now.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
6556 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:02 am to
All that is going to happen is the same people who argue about who is #4 and #5 will argue about who is #12 and #13. It changes nothing as far as that goes.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:03 am to
quote:

Have they established that every conference champion will be given an automatic spot?



"The new 12-team College Football Playoff field will include the six highest-ranked conference champions, which will receive automatic bids. The top four teams will receive a first-round bye to the quarterfinals.

The six highest-ranked teams remaining will round out the 12-team format."

From the NCAA website.
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:03 am to
quote:

The biggest thing to me is, if you're ranked 12th after 13 weeks of action you dont desreve to be national champin


What if you're undefeated without playing a ranked team going into week 12?
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:04 am to
No playoff setting will fix things

LSU doesn't have enough wins to argue this season.

Mizzou and Ole Miss definitely would have an argument, and based on rankings could both possibly make a 12 team playoff this season, unless the committee makes some of the tier 2 teams more prevalent in a 12 team playoff. Like Liberty and Tulane.
Posted by jamespatterson
Member since Aug 2023
2052 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:04 am to
Doesn't matter what OM fans think. The committee is wise and has Mizzou correctly ranked significantly ahead of them.
Posted by Tigerdog5
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Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:05 am to
SEC takes 7-8 of the 12 spots, Then you'll see PAC, B10, ACC cryout it's rigged.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42554 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:06 am to
This year is kind of an anomaly - a 12 team playoff would have been nice to see, it allows Ohio St and Michigan to both compare their teams to others outside conference, same with the sec teams.

Some years you might only have 4 teams with a realistic shot or 6 teams might have a shot, it will be rare that 12 teams will have a legitimate shot

As good as the LSU offense is, I would not want to see this team with the defense it put out this year try and navigate a playoff
Posted by jryanw
Bham, AL
Member since Dec 2013
4612 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:07 am to
quote:

If we had a 12-team playoff this year, it would be LSU, Ole Miss, and Missouri fans arguing back and forth about resume and head-to-head (I guess Missouri and Ole Miss already are, actually). The more things change, the more they will stay the same.


Correct, that’s the fun part. What’s not fun is having 1 loss early in the season but being left out or being undefeated going into your conference championship and losing and getting left out.

The championship games will still matter for seeding which is great and the winner gets an auto bid so a team like Iowa will fight even harder to win.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26958 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:07 am to
quote:

All this talk about how the 12-team playoff will fix everything...


only idiots think that. It doesn't fix anything, it just devalues the regular season and will potentially lead to teams rematching with enormous stakes a game that's alreayd happened. Even more so than it happens now.


You literally could have Alabama and Auburn play each other three games in a row.

This is the one thing that very well could happen: over a ten year span, Alabama, Georgia, Oregon, Ohio State, and Michigan could get in ten years in a row.
Posted by Bama Bird
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:09 am to
The more people you invite to a party, the more people there are who felt like they deserved an invitation but didn't get one
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