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re: All of the new Marcus Freeman fans here, time to put your money where your mouth is
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:40 pm to wadewilson
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:40 pm to wadewilson
You’re comparing the two but deep down you know Kelly isn’t close to Saban and the SEC now is much better than 2002.
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Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:42 pm to AHM21
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Not winning anything of significance?
He made it in 2012 but aside from that, where are the wins that people give a damn about? Beating #8 USC in a regular season game doesn’t move the needle.
So BK underachieved because he lost to 2012 Alabama, 2018 Clemson, and 2020 Bama, who went a combined 41-1.
Freeman is better because he won a CFP semifinal vs Penn State, who had 2 losses, on their own.
This is your logic.
You would say Ed Orgeron is a better coach than Mark Richt because he won a title and Richt didn't.
It's a very simplistic way of thinking that I disagree with, but I understand what you're saying.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:43 pm to SidewalkTiger
I don't see how Notre Dame scores on Ohio State.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:44 pm to SidewalkTiger
You’re this passionate because you’re hoping Kelly is capable of winning. The last three years should cause you concern but instead you convince yourself that Freeman is winning because of Kelly.
List Kelly’s top five accomplishments as a coach over the last fifteen years. That’s no troll - aside from a two point conversion in OT to beat Bama, where are the signature wins/moments?
List Kelly’s top five accomplishments as a coach over the last fifteen years. That’s no troll - aside from a two point conversion in OT to beat Bama, where are the signature wins/moments?
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:46 pm to AHM21
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You’re comparing the two
It's nothing more than a surface comparison, and that's based purely on what the 2 inherited coming in to LSU and the overall results of their first 3 seasons.
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but deep down you know Kelly isn’t close to Saban
Is that true? Saban had done nothing of note at that time. Kelly had at least shown the ability to knock the dust off a has-been and get them at a high level.
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the SEC now is much better than 2002
Is it though?
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:47 pm to SidewalkTiger
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You would say Ed Orgeron is a better coach than Mark Richt because he won a title and Richt didn't.
It's a very simplistic way of thinking that I disagree with, but I understand what you're saying.
You're getting downvoted, but your spot on.
AHM should know better about our history, he follows LSU very closely.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:49 pm to AHM21
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aside from a two point conversion in OT to beat Bama, where are the signature wins/moments?
Getting a program like ND to a BCSNC and a 4 team playoff are wins by themselves.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:49 pm to wadewilson
Saban had an SEC championship and Sugar Bowl win within two years.
Kelly had an SEC championship appearance and wins in the Cheez It Bowl, ReliaQuest Bowl and Texas Bowl.
Year four Saban won it all. Year four for Kelly? Hard to say but three losses is likely.
Kelly had an SEC championship appearance and wins in the Cheez It Bowl, ReliaQuest Bowl and Texas Bowl.
Year four Saban won it all. Year four for Kelly? Hard to say but three losses is likely.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:50 pm to wadewilson
quote:Yeah. Notre Dame had no success at all until BK got there. Never even won a conference title.
Getting a program like ND to a BCSNC and a 4 team playoff are wins by themselves.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:50 pm to wadewilson
No. The BCS title game and two playoff appearances were all losses. He’s won nothing of significance.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:51 pm to SidewalkTiger
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It had to be fairly traumatic.
Maybe one day he’ll tell us.
Or we can just make up our own reasons. My guess is he walked in on his gf getting tag teamed by big Lee and Jamarcus Russel. He forgave her and they’re married now but he blames lsu.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:51 pm to AHM21
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Year four for Kelly? Hard to say but three losses is likely.
Saban lost 5 games in 2002.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:52 pm to AHM21
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Kelly also lost playoff games multiple times. Comparing what Kelly accomplished to what Freeman has accomplished this year is asinine
He lost to 2012 Bama
2018 Clemson
2020 Bama
This notre dame team would get destroyed by those teams.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:53 pm to supersaints9
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Kelly got ND to the same game. Let’s see how this turns out
In the regular season based off of record.
Not by beating teams and earning his way
Before 2013 the NC was based off of rankings.
So he navigated the regular season schedule to play against Alabama in 2012.
Indiana, Georgia, Penn State he had to beat to get to this point.
That isn't the same thing as Kelly experienced.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:54 pm to billjamin
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My guess is he walked in on his gf getting tag teamed by big Lee and Jamarcus Russel.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:54 pm to AHM21
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You’re this passionate because you’re hoping Kelly is capable of winning. The last three years should cause you concern but instead you convince yourself that Freeman is winning because of Kelly.
Incorrect, Freeman is winning because he's doing the things necessary to win.
I don't buy, however, that Notre Dame is better now than they were under BK.
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List Kelly’s top five accomplishments as a coach over the last fifteen years. That’s no troll - aside from a two point conversion in OT to beat Bama, where are the signature wins/moments?
I personally don't really care about "accomplishments." As I said, that can be an incorrect "measurement" because of the matchups themselves.
Orgeron had both a NY6 win and a natty yet I still believe Kelly is a better coach. He wins more games and is more consistent.
To answer your question though:
1. Natty appearance
2. Two CFP appearances
3. Two conference championship appearances
4. Heisman winner and #1 offense in 2023
5. Upper echelon win percentage among active coaches (top 10 I'd assume)
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:56 pm to boweswi05
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That isn't the same thing as Kelly experienced.
Kelly underachieved and LSU fans are making excuses for it.
Freeman has done better - winning when it matters. Kelly has made LSU worse.
What’s so difficult to understand?
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:56 pm to boweswi05
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In the regular season based off of record.
Not by beating teams and earning his way
Same difference, you had to win and not lose in the regular season. That's how you earned your way.
Some folks portray the playoff as harder however, if we were still under the BCS system, Notre Dame would be at home because they lost to a G5.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:58 pm to AHM21
He is going off the regular season in which Kelly didn't have to beat three top 10 teams in a row to get to the NC game.
He is trying to compare ND being placed in the NC against Alabama vs Freeman earning his way there.
Forgive him.
He is trying to compare ND being placed in the NC against Alabama vs Freeman earning his way there.
Forgive him.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:59 pm to wadewilson
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You're getting downvoted, but your spot on.
The average person is incapable of reason and logic.
They will say that Freeman has won playoff games and Kelly didn't, thus, they must be better.
They probably think a 12-0 Sunbelt team is better than a 10-2 SEC team too.
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