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re: Alabama Football: Are Alabama's High Picks Falling Short?
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:17 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:17 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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RockyMtnTigerWDE
I wasn't calling you out or anything. I was just trying to make a point. That this notion, after most of his guys have only been in the NFL four years or less, is crazy.
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:19 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:34 pm to Chizzin ain't Easy
I think part of it is that Alabama's players are somewhat sheltered from the distractions that are a part of the pro football lifestyle. Saban eliminates those distractions, and some players have never dealt with them once they become pros. That includes big cities, parties, bad influences and the media.
I also think the newfound media exposure really shocks some of the former Bama guys. Aside from Barrett Jones, who Saban obviously trusted very much, you never really see Alabama players being interviewed or talked about individually in a not positive way. As an example, UGA players are very used to their successes and failures being stories and having their names dragged through the mud in the media (AJC). By the time they get to the pros, they seem to do better knowing what is expected and staying out of the news (obviously there are exceptions).
I actually think someone like Rolando McClain could have benefited from getting in trouble publicly in college and learning from the consequences in a more forgiving environment. Sometimes being protected is not the best thing for someone.
I also think the newfound media exposure really shocks some of the former Bama guys. Aside from Barrett Jones, who Saban obviously trusted very much, you never really see Alabama players being interviewed or talked about individually in a not positive way. As an example, UGA players are very used to their successes and failures being stories and having their names dragged through the mud in the media (AJC). By the time they get to the pros, they seem to do better knowing what is expected and staying out of the news (obviously there are exceptions).
I actually think someone like Rolando McClain could have benefited from getting in trouble publicly in college and learning from the consequences in a more forgiving environment. Sometimes being protected is not the best thing for someone.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:36 pm to Chizzin ain't Easy
College football is not an NFL farm league skooter.....I'll take three out of the last four BCSNC and enjoy life and could care less about the NFL.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:37 pm to Chizzin ain't Easy
All I know is that the New Orleans Saints need to get rid of Mark Ingram. 
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:42 pm to StopRobot
Not that Ro needed any help to screw up his career but being drafted by the Raiders certainly didn't help him out any. Very few of their players have excelled in recent years and that's especially true of their high draft picks.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:45 pm to TheDude321
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All I know is that the New Orleans Saints need to get rid of Mark Ingram.
All I know is he ran one play out of one formation and our run blocking was warm diarrhea last year. We'll see how he does now that our play caller is back and half of our coaching staff isn't suspended. There's a whole bunch of players and coaches on The Saints that need to tighten the frick up, Ingram being one, but he's always received the blunt of the blame because he's very pro Bama on a team with a fanbase that's very pro LSU, and LSU has had a Bama complex since 1/9.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:54 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Andre Smith just signed one of the largest contracts in the NFL for a RT. He's considered one of the best RTs int he league and is Cincy's best OL. Carpenter can't stay healthy.
Ok. Now I know you don't know what you're talking about. Signing a hefty contract in todays NFL doesn't mean shite anymore. He had ZERO interest in free agency. That doesn't happen to "one of the best RTs in the league." 
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:57 pm to Chizzin ain't Easy
MOHR BAMA DRAFT BUST THREADS!!!!!
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:58 pm to Chizzin ain't Easy
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What happens when the players step away from that team-first environment? What happens when they go from being one part of a big team to one employee of a big team and are left to their own devices? Sometimes, they’ve bought in to the Alabama way to such a great extent that they’re immediately lost the moment they step away from it.
If this is true, its an indictment on the NFL and the dumbass coaches that have no clue how to win consistently, not Saban.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:59 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I think part of it is that Alabama's players are somewhat sheltered from the distractions that are a part of the pro football lifestyle. Saban eliminates those distractions, and some players have never dealt with them once they become pros. That includes big cities, parties, bad influences and the media.
If there is an issue, this would be my concern if I were an NFL GM. Playing football at Alabama is probably a tougher experience than playing in the NFL. At Alabama, extreme discipline is required of you on and off the field and there is a ton of support around you to keep you on the right track. I think some of them go to the NFL and experience money, tons of free time, and a laid back CEO type coach for the first time and go about as wild as a preacher's daughter at her first college party.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 3:00 pm to LSUdm21
Good effort.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 3:00 pm to UPT
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he's always received the blunt of the blame because he's very pro Bama on a team with a fanbase that's very pro LSU, and LSU has had a Bama complex since 1/9.
That, and he's fricking up your starting LBs in non-contact drills.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 3:00 pm to LSUdm21
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Ok. Now I know you don't know what you're talking about. Signing a hefty contract in todays NFL doesn't mean shite anymore. He had ZERO interest in free agency. That doesn't happen to "one of the best RTs in the league."
He was a priority signing for the Bengals.
And he was asking LT money to play RT, that's why he didn't have serious interest around the league. But that doesn't take away from how good he's become for the Bengals.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 3:02 pm to LSUdm21
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Signing a hefty contract in todays NFL doesn't mean shite anymore.
It means you are a mega-millionaire. It also means a lot because the NFL will cut you no questions asked if you are not performing and there are better or cheaper options available. Hell, Willis McGahee just got cut yesterday.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 3:04 pm to Chizzin ain't Easy
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What players, from the recent Alabama teams, do you consider busts at this point?
I got a good one but I don't feel like I have to say it.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 3:04 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Dude, Whitworth is the best OL the Bengals have. Its not even close.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 3:10 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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He was a priority signing for the Bengals.
He was a priority for Cincy because they wanted to know what they had to work with before the draft. They pretty much told his new agent that when he switched.
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And he was asking LT money to play RT, that's why he didn't have serious interest around the league. But that doesn't take away from how good he's become for the Bengals.
True. For some reason or another the NFL pay grade for RTs plummeted last year. Not to mention he's not a Saban recruit anyway so this is really pointless.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 3:12 pm to LSUdm21
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True. For some reason or another the NFL pay grade for RTs plummeted last year. Not to mention he's not a Saban recruit anyway so this is really pointless.
3 years and 18 million. And he played two of his three seasons at Alabama under Saban.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 3:17 pm to PrivatePublic
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If this is true, its an indictment on the NFL and the dumbass coaches that have no clue how to win consistently, not Saban.
No it isn't. NFL coaches are dealing with employees, not students. NFL coaches can't control every aspect of a player's life (where they live, who they hang out with, their family life) like a college coach can. NFL players are more independent than college players, just like regular employees are more independent than college students.
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