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re: Alabama finally receives its 24-hour notice from the NCAA
Posted on 6/10/09 at 5:14 pm to BamaInHsv
Posted on 6/10/09 at 5:14 pm to BamaInHsv
I really hope any penalties are minor relative to the football program. Maybe some administrators SHOULD have known better, or SHOULD have known this was going on...but Saban absolutely dealt with the issue immediately by suspending those players. Let's not forget that we were 5-2 when the suspensions were handed down just before the Tennessee game. I have no doubt that our 2007 late-saeson slide was directly related to this in some form.
Self-reported and self-penalized appropriately in football, IMO.
Self-reported and self-penalized appropriately in football, IMO.
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Posted on 6/10/09 at 5:19 pm to NATidefan
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May have been that the football players weren't the one getting books for people, but part of the group that just accidentally got the supplementary stuff (ie study booklets, etc)
Irrelevant... if one player or personell with the football team or any other team was involved with or in a violation according to NCAA rules, than the whole team suffers. That is what probation means-to stay clean of any and all violation or else subject to reinstate original sanctions. Doesn't matter NCAA's probation pretty much doesn't mean jack. Especially, if the punishments not the same for every sport that participated in the violation.
Posted on 6/10/09 at 5:20 pm to UPT
quote:I could care less what the penalties are. However, you should be outraged at your school for total lack of control to allow such a large scale scam going on campus wide - apparently. Things like this could jeopardize your entire program under the repeat offender rules (not that I think they will ever impose the death penalty again, though). Outrage, absolute outrage is what I would have at those in charge for allowing it to occur.
I could give two shits whether or not Auburn or LSU players gave away text books. I can't fathom that being something I would even come close to giving a shite about. I find it absolutely hillarious that some of you have gotten so worked up over some inconsequential bull shite like this. If you wish sanctions on our team for this you are a sad, sad person imo.
Posted on 6/10/09 at 5:23 pm to MoreOrLes
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Irrelevant... if one player or personell with the football team or any other team was involved with or in a violation according to NCAA rules, than the whole team suffers. That is what probation means-to stay clean of any and all violation or else subject to reinstate original sanctions. Doesn't matter NCAA's probation pretty much doesn't mean jack. Especially, if the punishments not the same for every sport that participated in the violation.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say: "frick YOU!". Keep wishing Alabama football will be hit with cripling sanctions, smacktard. That's the only way your team will be able to keep up with us anymore. Unless the NCAA murders us, welcome to the early 80's.
This post was edited on 6/10/09 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 6/10/09 at 5:24 pm to BamaInHsv
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say: "frick YOU!". Keep wishing Alabama football will be hit with cripling sanctions, smacktard. That's the only way your team will be able to keep up with us anymore. Unlees the NCAA murders us, welcome to the early 80's.
You've got talent.. but so do we (more). Better looking girls. Louder stadium. Drunker fans. Better looking girls. Drunker fans..
Better looking girls..
Drunker fans..
I don't think we're worried
Posted on 6/10/09 at 5:31 pm to MoreOrLes
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Irrelevant... if one player or personell with the football team or any other team was involved with or in a violation according to NCAA rules, than the whole team suffers. That is what probation means-to stay clean of any and all violation or else subject to reinstate original sanctions. Doesn't matter NCAA's probation pretty much doesn't mean jack. Especially, if the punishments not the same for every sport that participated in the violation.
No, not irrelevant dumbass, two different things were going on that were involved in this case.
1) Some athletes got extra textbooks on purpose and gave them to girlfriends.
2) Some(the majority) athletes accidentally got supplementary supplies (study guides, etc) that were pre-packaged by the bookstore.
If all the football players that were involved fell into the number 2 category, but the athletes from other sports were the ones that intentionally exploited the situation (category 1). Then it would make sense that football team might not get hit as hard as the sports that had athletes intentionally doing something wrong.
The whole team is penalized equally, but not the whole athletic department.
Posted on 6/10/09 at 5:32 pm to bmy
Another internet tough guy. You need a hug. Have an RC and Moon pie and STFU.
Posted on 6/10/09 at 5:34 pm to NATidefan
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two different things were going on that were involved in this case.
Both a violation...I get ...it do you? (and look no name calling I'm gonna try to take the high road...can you?
Posted on 6/10/09 at 5:38 pm to MoreOrLes
Yes, both were violations, but so is giving a recruit a plane ride versus giving him a mansion. Both violations, not equal punishment. Do you get it now.
Posted on 6/10/09 at 6:25 pm to NATidefan
Yes I get it....you believe that there are varying degrees of punishment for violating probation and I believe violating probation in any way means one should be punished to the fullest extent. Anything less than my definition is self rationalization for breaking the rules.
Posted on 6/10/09 at 6:29 pm to MoreOrLes
If you want to get that nit picky to try to get our FB program, then I'll argue that the FB players didn't have any issues until AFTER the probation had ended. It's easy to rationalize what you want. I want less sanctions, you want more.
Posted on 6/10/09 at 6:35 pm to Alahunter
Bama (certain teams) either commited violations during probation or they did not. There is no spin here. If they did violate the terms of probation there should not be varying degrees of punishment. No matter, as expected and as with other schools, the NCAA's probation really is just a made up word.
Posted on 6/10/09 at 6:36 pm to MoreOrLes
Again, you change the argument. You want football punished for what other sports did. If you're scared, just say it, don't try to get others to fight the battle.
Posted on 6/10/09 at 6:41 pm to Alahunter
It is high time that college athletes get paid a stipend by the university for their services. Scholarships are not enough in my opinion. My god they only bring in millions. This has been argued before but it would potentially put an end to student athletes finding creative ways to making money.
Posted on 6/10/09 at 6:41 pm to Alahunter
Scared of what...as i have stated before...if they did break the rules during probation and it sounds like they did(Football team and other teams...) then common scense of what it means to break probation should prevail. You don't have to be scared NCAA's probation is just a word and I would have told you nothing was going to happen to bama or anyone else. I know i should not try to reason with a bama fan but i thought i'de give it a shot.
Posted on 6/10/09 at 6:44 pm to MoreOrLes
You're not reasoning. The other sports, that were involved "during" the probation, is probably getting hammered. Football, probably won't, since it was addressed immediately and outside the probation period. You're basically just coming off as wanting the football team punished severely, when it should not be.
Posted on 6/10/09 at 6:49 pm to bubbalove
quote:Don't disagree that they should get a stipend. Don't fool yourself though that it would put an end to anything. It would just up the ante.
It is high time that college athletes get paid a stipend by the university for their services. Scholarships are not enough in my opinion. My god they only bring in millions. This has been argued before but it would potentially put an end to student athletes finding creative ways to making money.
Posted on 6/10/09 at 6:49 pm to Alahunter
RU saying that the football team or any of its members did not commit violations of any kind during the probation period. If so and that is correct than they the football team should not be considered as breaking probation and the punishment should be minor as the violation was. If the opposite is true ...well I have covered that already.
This post was edited on 6/10/09 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 6/10/09 at 6:52 pm to Alahunter
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Football, probably won't
And it shouldn't. If the NCAA brings down the hammer on Alabama football for this, it would be beyond ridiculous.
Posted on 6/10/09 at 6:53 pm to MoreOrLes
As far as I know right now..It was just those 5 players and that is all anyone knows. Until anything else is known tomorrow, then that is my stance as that is all that I have to base it on. Also, if they vacate wins, that imo is crap, considering that there was no competitive advantage in what happened, so imo, that should not have any affect on the win/loss record. That would be like double jeapordy, as we were already serving penalties and suffering from them.
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