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Posted on 8/23/22 at 5:12 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 8/23/22 at 5:12 pm to FooManChoo
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Of course it does. The issue isn't that there was a legitimate impact to Metchie and Williams being absent (there was), but that there was also a legitimate impact to UGA's players being absent, regardless of reason.
Then we can agree that game planning and team chemistry factors in but nothing else, such as production.
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Posted on 8/23/22 at 5:32 pm to mbogo
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Doesn't that bolster my argument since many of Bama's starters were lost to injury late in the year with less time to develop team chemistry and game planning?
Too bad you never made that point yourself. Wonder why?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:14 pm to FooManChoo
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that there was also a legitimate impact to UGA's players being absent, regardless of reason.
If you can get him to agree to the whole "reason of absence doesnt matter" idea, then props to you.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:28 am to mbogo
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Obviously the expectations for Methie/Williams and others ended when they were injured and couldn't play. They weren't out by any choice they made and they were still part of the team, like your DB and OG
What do you want? How about t-shirts that say "Alabama-- Might have been national champions if not for missing players who were out because of injury and not by choice."
You got it. They're at the printer now. Wear them proudly.
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 2:52 am
Posted on 8/24/22 at 6:36 am to MykTide
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Damnit, Stephen.
Not sure why trolls (Chromatic) think it's funny to come on here and get people riled up.
Alabama is a proven commodity and we all know their accomplishments. Both teams had a bunch of injuries. I don't thing the WR injuries were the ones that hurt Alabama the most, yet rarely do I see a Tide fan bring up the injuries to the Alabama CBs. Very odd.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 7:27 am to ChromaticTide
How’s Ricks annual training on the stationary bike going?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 7:59 am to ChromaticTide
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A lot of Georgia fans were saying Georgia didnt even deserve to go to the playoffs after getting beat down by the GOAT. I tend to agree with them.
Cool, we’ll be by to collect the 2011 and 2017 NC trophy’s you didn’t earn.
Has Texas A&M given you permission to speak?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:23 am to mbogo
quote:No, I think anything that can negatively impact expected production (which planning and chemistry do) is up for discussion. Expected production is at the heart of this entire discussion.
Then we can agree that game planning and team chemistry factors in but nothing else, such as production.
The reason why WR injuries have been such a topic of discussion for the last 8 months is because fans believe that the loss of those players negatively impacted production, and thus, the outcome of the game. There would be no point to mention it otherwise. Likewise, players that were expected to play for UGA that were unavailable to provide the production expected of them could likewise be included in the discussion.
You are making an arbitrary distinction between players missing for their own fault compared to players missing who were not at fault, as if the reason matters for the rest of the team and the outcome of the games. The lack of expected production is the material point, given the timing of the absences, not the reason for the absences.
Take the recent and increasing trend of players sitting out of bowl games so that they don’t risk injury for the draft as another example. They are opting out on purpose, yet their lack of expected production can and does affect the team chemistry and preparation, which certainly can influence the outcome of the game. Opt-outs are used as excuses for losses and near losses regularly, because the reason for their absence doesn’t matter but their lost expected production does.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:53 pm to FooManChoo
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No, I think anything that can negatively impact expected production (which planning and chemistry do) is up for discussion. Expected production is at the heart of this entire discussion.
You keep saying expected production when expectations of any production end when a player is no longer available. I agree that production is the most important thing. The game planning/chemistry thing is negligible. You're the first to mention it, but it would add greatly to my argument since Bama lost more players and lost most of them with less time to prepare, some in the games themselves.
Players who sit out are blamed for losses. Players who are injured aren't blamed. One is a choice and the other isn't. In one case they blame the player and in the other they blame the misfortune of the injury. So, saying the reason for their absence doesn't matter is obviously incorrect.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:57 pm to ChromaticTide
Come on now. Saban’s motto is next man up. Our reserve WRs and pass catchers as a whole didn’t get the job done and let Bryce down. We lost, it is what it is. Injuries are part of the game.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:02 pm to ChromaticTide
Deal with it.
Because it’s pretty unbelievable to act as if significant or win/loss impacting injuries would only happen to Alabama.
Because it’s pretty unbelievable to act as if significant or win/loss impacting injuries would only happen to Alabama.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:56 pm to FooManChoo
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I hope you are just mistaken rather than willfully abusing reason and language.
What do you think it is?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 6:04 pm to ChromaticTide
But when you played UGA at full health you got smoked. See how that works, inbred?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 6:14 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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Yawn. They beat us. That's it. We can't win them all.
This. Sometimes Alabama just flat gets beat.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 6:16 pm to ChromaticTide
So earlier today there was a thread about Bama fans and making excuses when they lose. All sorts of denial and redirects in that thread. And now here's Bama fan making that thread legit.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 7:34 pm to Willietd
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So earlier today there was a thread about Bama fans and making excuses when they lose. All sorts of denial and redirects in that thread. And now here's Bama fan making that thread legit.
I haven't denied anything. Georgia won. I'm simply discussing things that influenced the game.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:20 pm to mbogo
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'm simply discussing things that influenced the game.
Above all else, you have been trying to explain why things that helped Bama, and hurt UGA, did NOT influence the game
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 8/25/22 at 11:22 am to mbogo
quote:I also clarified what I meant by saying that the production expected before the absence. The reason why that is important is because time and resources are spent developing that player and preparing them for the next game(s) that are not spent on developing other players in addition to the chemistry and bond formed between that player and his teammates that gets washed away with his absence. In addition, and depending on the missing player, the play calling may be effected by absence. That's not a small matter.
You keep saying expected production when expectations of any production end when a player is no longer available.
I recognize that no one is expecting production after an injury, suspension, etc., because they know that he won't be available to play. That isn't the point.
quote:This is true, which is why player attrition isn't the only thing to be concerned about in terms of the outcomes of games. That's also why teams are supposed to develop their players so that they are ready when called upon. That's easier said than done, and it seems Bama's backups weren't as prepared to step up in the big game this time around (compared to Tua, who changed the outcome of the previous NCG coming off the bench).
I agree that production is the most important thing. The game planning/chemistry thing is negligible. You're the first to mention it, but it would add greatly to my argument since Bama lost more players and lost most of them with less time to prepare, some in the games themselves.
I'm not saying that Bama didn't have a reason to complain when it came to losing players. What I'm arguing is that UGA can make the same claims to varying degrees, and yet there is more to a loss in a game than injuries, even to key players, so Bama fans should recognize that the game of football was played and the better overall team won that day.
quote:I don't care who is to blame in this discussion, as that is entirely irrelevant. The point is that when a player who is expected to contribute is not able to do so, that loss often times is felt by the team, and it often times contributes to the outcome of the game in various ways. The reason for why that player isn't there doesn't matter if there was a reasonable expectation for the player to perform, and then they weren't able to. The reason might matter to the player who isn't playing, but it usually doesn't matter to the team or the coaches, because what they are managing to is the outcome of games. A player missing due to an injury (not his fault) or a legitimate targeting call (his fault) will have the same impact to the rest of the team (other than the penalty yards).
Players who sit out are blamed for losses. Players who are injured aren't blamed. One is a choice and the other isn't. In one case they blame the player and in the other they blame the misfortune of the injury. So, saying the reason for their absence doesn't matter is obviously incorrect.
I've spent many words explaining this very thing to you.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 11:24 am to djsdawg
quote:I believe it is a willful abuse, deflecting the loss towards other things due to an inability to accept the outcome was due to UGA being the better overall team on the field that day.quote:What do you think it is?
I hope you are just mistaken rather than willfully abusing reason and language.
I'm just trying to give this person the benefit of the doubt, though that is getting harder and harder to do.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 12:34 pm to FooManChoo
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I believe it is a willful abuse
So you think he knows claiming bama didn’t benefit from Pickens playing less than Jameson did is an incredibly stupid take, but he is too insecure to admit it?
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