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A lot of the FSU white knighting depends on criteria that is not in the CFP protocol
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:40 am
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:40 am
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The selection committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering:
* Conference championships won,
* Strength of schedule,
* Head-to-head competition,
* Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
* Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.
The CFP was constructed to provide the legal appearance of equality between P5 and G5. At the same time, the power conferences made sure the criteria was not particularly beneficial to teams with weaker schedules as an implicit limiter on G5 participation.
So win/loss record is not mentioned in the criteria because that could be a beneficial metric for teams in weaker conferences. Additionally, no mention of valuing conference membership from the P5 subset is made as a concession to avoid litigiousness from the G5.
Essentially, the ACC got hoisted on their own petard. They were a weakest P5 conference and it made a significant impact on FSU's resume. 3 of the 5 bullet points were a wash but Alabama had significantly better SOS and star QB unavailability worked against FSU.
Expecting FSU to be in the CFP is essentially asking the CFP to go against their very construction. Alabama would have had a more legitimate legal case against the CFP if the decision was reversed.
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 8:45 am
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:42 am to Diego Ricardo
They dont care.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:43 am to Diego Ricardo
FSU finished with a strength of schedule 22 spots worse than Michigan, who we made fun of all year for not playing a team with a pulse.
Playing the 55th best schedule and winning all of your games doesn’t make you deserving. Anyone saying otherwise is selling something.
Playing the 55th best schedule and winning all of your games doesn’t make you deserving. Anyone saying otherwise is selling something.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:45 am to Diego Ricardo
Chill with the logic bro
Only emotions are allowed here
Only emotions are allowed here
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:45 am to Diego Ricardo
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Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.
Hmmmmmmmm so like for example FSU gets penalized for having a hurt QB, but Alabama doesn’t get penalized for playing a non-full strength Georgia
Sounds about right
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:46 am to Diego Ricardo
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Conference championships won
Both teams won their conference, so that's a wash.
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Strength of schedule
Alabama by a country mile (using Sagarin as one source, Alabama's SOS was #12, while FSU's was #61).
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Head-to-head competition
They didn't play each other.
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Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory)
They both played LSU and both won.
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Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance
FSU lost their starting QB and got significantly worse; Alabama has lost some players but still progressively got better.
So 2 in favor for Alabama, and 3 that were a wash. None are in favor of FSU.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:46 am to Diego Ricardo
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CFP protocol
The committee operated in one fashion the exact same way for 9 years. Actions speak louder than words so I don't care what they claim they use or what espn says, I'm talking about the literal, actual decisions they made.
This year, they abandoned 9 years of precedent and did something completely adn tonally different.
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Expecting FSU to be in the CFP is essentially asking the CFP to go against their very construction
Well that' simply not true at all. What they did this year is going against the repeated pattern of how they operate.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:47 am to Terrific Tales
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but Alabama doesn’t get penalized for playing a non-full strength Georgia
84 and 19 played the entire game?
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:48 am to Terrific Tales
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Hmmmmmmmm so like for example FSU gets penalized for having a hurt QB, but Alabama doesn’t get penalized for playing a non-full strength Georgia
Please tell me you're not a lawyer bc you make the worst arguments of anyone I've ever seen.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:49 am to Terrific Tales
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Hmmmmmmmm so like for example FSU gets penalized for having a hurt QB, but Alabama doesn’t get penalized for playing a non-full strength Georgia
Boo Corrigan specifically addressed this:
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“Player availability was really important,” Corrigan said. “You could lose a running back. You could lose a wide receiver. But a quarterback as dynamic as Jordan Travis changes their offense in its entirety. That was really a big factor for the committee as we went through everything. I feel horrible for Coach [Jim] Norvell and the players. They’re a different team now than they were earlier in the year. It’s been a long couple of days.”
CBS Sports
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:50 am to WG_Dawg
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This year, they abandoned 9 years of precedent and did something completely adn tonally different.
Yeah, they actually followed the protocols!
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:52 am to Sl0thstronautEsq
That’s such a weak argument though.
For example Michigan would be so much better without JJ McCarthy than they would be without Blake Corum
It’s so situational and I’m quite confident in saying the skill position players for Georgia are for more impactful than Carson Beck imo
For example Michigan would be so much better without JJ McCarthy than they would be without Blake Corum
It’s so situational and I’m quite confident in saying the skill position players for Georgia are for more impactful than Carson Beck imo
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:53 am to Diego Ricardo
Hahaha gumps twisting themselves in knots trying to justify something they know down deep is wrong. Its funny to see.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:55 am to Diego Ricardo
I can't wait until we get a legit D2 style playoff and all the schools that benefited from the old bowl selection, the BCS, and CFP committee have to start earning their way in.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:56 am to Diego Ricardo
The committee couldn't leave the SEC out. The winner of the SEC championship was going either way. You can throw all that criteria bullshite out the window. Wiggle room was built in to cover the committees asses. Too much money on the table to leave the SEC out.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:56 am to WG_Dawg
We can go round and round over all of this, but the bottom line is that a team with the fifty-fifth ranked strength of schedule does not deserve to be in over a 1 loss SEC Champion. They didn’t deserve to be there over UGA, either.
If this had benefited anyone other than Alabama, this discussion wouldn’t even be happening.
Playing a 55th ranked SOS doesn’t make you deserving of anything more than what you got.
If this had benefited anyone other than Alabama, this discussion wouldn’t even be happening.
Playing a 55th ranked SOS doesn’t make you deserving of anything more than what you got.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:58 am to Tuscaloosa
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We can go round and round over all of this, but the bottom line is that a team with the fifty-fifth ranked strength of schedule does not deserve to be in over a 1 loss SEC Champion. They didn’t deserve to be there over UGA, either.
And yet, we all know that if Jordan Travis hadn’t gotten hurt, and FSU’s SOS was the exact same, FSU would have gotten in 0 questions asked.
So the SOS argument is just a completely moot point
Posted on 12/4/23 at 8:59 am to Diego Ricardo
13-0 and left out. It is bullshite. There is no way to say it isn't.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 9:01 am to Tuscaloosa
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Playing the 55th best schedule and winning all of your games doesn’t make you deserving. Anyone saying otherwise is selling something.
It makes you wonder when the gap between SOS no longer matters?
JMU's SOS was closer to FSU's than FSU's was to Alabama's or Texas'. IF they had won all their games, by the "wins over weaker teams > playing a strong schedule" would imply JMU should be in over Texas. Taking the next step, where's the white knighting over Liberty? They went undefeated and won their conference. If SOS is an irrelevant metric, then why not them and FSU in the playoffs?
Posted on 12/4/23 at 9:02 am to Terrific Tales
Let's be honest here. You're not mad about how the committee made the decision. You're mad it was Bama that benefited from it.
UGA could have won out, and the committee selected Texas over FSU for the same reason, and you wouldn't have said shite.
UGA could have won out, and the committee selected Texas over FSU for the same reason, and you wouldn't have said shite.
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