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8-team playoffs - based on rankings
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:27 pm
2018:
Alabama vs UCF
Clemson vs Michigan
Notre Dame vs Ohio State
Oklahoma vs Georgia
2017:
Clemson vs USC
Oklahoma vs Auburn
Georgia vs Wisconsin
Alabama vs Ohio State
2016:
Alabama vs Wisconsin
Clemson vs Oklahoma
Ohio State vs Michigan
Washington vs Penn State
2015:
Clemson vs Notre Dame
Alabama vs Ohio State
Michigan State vs Stanford
Oklahoma vs Iowa
2014:
Alabama vs Michigan State
Oregon vs Mississippi State
Florida State vs TCU
Ohio State vs Baylor
Representation by conference in 8-team format vs current totals:
ACC 6(5) - Net +1 appearance
Big 10 12(3) - Net +9 appearances
Big 12 6(3) - Net +3 appearances
Ind 2(1) - Net +1 appearances
Pac 12 4(2) - Net +2 appearances
SEC 9(6) - Net +3 appearances
That the Big 10 is spearheading the call for an 8-team playoff is hardly altruistic. They stand, by far, the most to gain. Ohio State would go from 2 appearances to 5. Michigan would go from no appearances to 2.
This presumes all other criteria remains unchanged.
Alabama vs UCF
Clemson vs Michigan
Notre Dame vs Ohio State
Oklahoma vs Georgia
2017:
Clemson vs USC
Oklahoma vs Auburn
Georgia vs Wisconsin
Alabama vs Ohio State
2016:
Alabama vs Wisconsin
Clemson vs Oklahoma
Ohio State vs Michigan
Washington vs Penn State
2015:
Clemson vs Notre Dame
Alabama vs Ohio State
Michigan State vs Stanford
Oklahoma vs Iowa
2014:
Alabama vs Michigan State
Oregon vs Mississippi State
Florida State vs TCU
Ohio State vs Baylor
Representation by conference in 8-team format vs current totals:
ACC 6(5) - Net +1 appearance
Big 10 12(3) - Net +9 appearances
Big 12 6(3) - Net +3 appearances
Ind 2(1) - Net +1 appearances
Pac 12 4(2) - Net +2 appearances
SEC 9(6) - Net +3 appearances
That the Big 10 is spearheading the call for an 8-team playoff is hardly altruistic. They stand, by far, the most to gain. Ohio State would go from 2 appearances to 5. Michigan would go from no appearances to 2.
This presumes all other criteria remains unchanged.
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:29 pm to skrayper
When is the earliest possible year this thing can expand to 8 teams? 2026?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:29 pm to skrayper
No homer but UCFast would’ve won the 4 team invitational last season. Not this season though.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:34 pm to skrayper
Interesting take. I'd still be ok with expanding it to 8 and being done with it.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:37 pm to skrayper
If the SEC continually had its conference champion left out the playoffs I would want the system changed too.
Quite frankly, you cant really call it a National Championship Playoff when you arent ensuring at least 1 representative from each conference. There arent enough big cross-conference games during the regular season to truly know
Quite frankly, you cant really call it a National Championship Playoff when you arent ensuring at least 1 representative from each conference. There arent enough big cross-conference games during the regular season to truly know
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:37 pm to SadUCFKnight
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No homer but UCFast would’ve won the 4 team invitational last season. Not this season though
GaTech would have beaten UCF if that game wasn't cancelled
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:39 pm to lsupride87
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Quite frankly, you cant really call it a National Championship Playoff when you arent ensuring at least 1 representative from each conference. There arent enough big cross-conference games during the regular season to truly know
Some years yes, some years no.
You can argue a lot in college football, but nobody on the planet thinks PAC12 champ Washington is the best team in college football this year.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:40 pm to SadUCFKnight
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No homer but UCFast would’ve won the 4 team invitational last season.
No homer but Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, or Oklahoma would have beat the shite out of UCF last year. This year too.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:41 pm to skrayper
8's too much, I think 6 would be perfect.
The earliest it can expand supposedly is 2026 but people are mad at SEC favoritism and UCF not getting a shot (thanks Auburn
) so it's a possibility it expands to 8...and actually makes the possibility even higher than you see MOAR SEC teams unless they make it Power 5 conference championship based (which IF they did, they would also need to add in the rule of if you have more than 2 losses, you're disqualified).
The earliest it can expand supposedly is 2026 but people are mad at SEC favoritism and UCF not getting a shot (thanks Auburn
) so it's a possibility it expands to 8...and actually makes the possibility even higher than you see MOAR SEC teams unless they make it Power 5 conference championship based (which IF they did, they would also need to add in the rule of if you have more than 2 losses, you're disqualified).Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:42 pm to PEPE
quote:Not disagreeing, but but how many people on the planet would bet on Notre Dame to beat Ohio State either (a few would, I assume)?
You can argue a lot in college football, but nobody on the planet thinks PAC12 champ Washington is the best team in college football this year.
It just needs to have a team from each conference.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:46 pm to skrayper
I honestly like they way that looks on paper. A lot of high profile games and almost no really weak ones
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:50 pm to lsupride87
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Quite frankly, you cant really call it a National Championship Playoff when you arent ensuring at least 1 representative from each conference
Actually we can....and do. I mean, we crown the super bowl winner the best team in football though other places do play football (as we do in the States...not futbol) same can be said of the world series winner. Heck there are Japanese college football teams left out Absolutely no friggin way Pitt should have been in the playoff had they managed to win in Charlotte. Same with NW.
It's not inclusion via participation - that is what conferences are for. Teams should actually be ...really really elite
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:53 pm to lsupride87
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It just needs to have a team from each conference.
The biggest issue is the current format of divisions in college football.
Both the Big 10 and ACC had very lopsided conference title games this year. Only the Big 12, in all fairness, does it in a manner that prevents this from occurring (the SEC has had the benefit of at least 1-2 really good teams in both divisions most years). Imagine a playoff with 9-3 Northwestern (record presumes the win), 9-3 Washington, and 8-4 Pitt along with Alabama/Georgia and Oklahoma/Texas. In a 6 team playoff, we presume ND gets in.
Alabama and Georgia would have played for the title in the Big 12 format as well, so nothing changes there. In that scenario, ND is in the playoffs with two teams they beat. Michigan, who beat Northwestern, sits at home because they were in the same division a Ohio State.
Right now any "conf champ only" scenario would need serious division balancing or Big 12 title format adoption - until that occurs, conf champ requirements are a bad idea.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:55 pm to Vestigial Morgan
quote:I take issue with the word playoff....It should be called invitational. All other playoffs I know about have a defined way on the field for a team to get into before the season starts. We still dont have that in college football.
Actually we can....and do. I mean, we crown the super bowl winner the best team in football though other places do play football
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:57 pm to skrayper
quote:I didnt say conference champs though. I said a team from each conference. Now ideally, they would adjust the divisions like you mentioned earlier so it could be a conference champion.
Right now any "conf champ only" scenario would need serious division balancing or Big 12 title format adoption - until that occurs, conf champ requirements are a bad idea.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:01 pm to lsupride87
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All other playoffs I know about have a defined way on the field for a team to get into before the season starts. We still dont have that in college football.
All other playoffs in Div 1 do not have an absolute requirement to get into them. Basketball, baseball, and softball all have many ways of getting into them that do not involve winning your conference.
In fact, from 1985 to 2017, the majority of teams to win the national championship in basketball LOST their conference tournaments. (14 won, 15 lost - of the 15, only 6 made the final game for their conference). Villanova did bring that back up to a 50/50 split, but it should be noted that they did not win the regular season in their conference - Xavier did.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:02 pm to SadUCFKnight
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YES homer but UCFast would’ve won the 4 team invitational last season. Not this season though.
FIFY
You are delusional. You fit right in on here.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:04 pm to skrayper
quote:Huh? All those sports have an exact defined way to get in. There are also wild card spots
All other playoffs in Div 1 do not have an absolute requirement to get into them. Basketball, baseball, and softball all have many ways of getting into them that do not involve winning your conference.
Like I said, I still do not know of another sport where the playoff does not have a defined way to get in settled on the field.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:07 pm to skrayper
An eight team ranking playoff is the best from a competition standpoint. Like someone else said, there are no bad games on that list.
The argument is going to be from the Pac 12.
2018: Pac 12 champion not in top 8. (Notre Dame and American Conference champion included though)
2017: All conference champions included.
2016: All conference champions included.
2015: All conference champions included
2014: All conference champions included.
If you gave the Power 5 auto bids, Washington would replace UCF in 2018. I think UCF with their QB is better than Washington.
The argument is going to be from the Pac 12.
2018: Pac 12 champion not in top 8. (Notre Dame and American Conference champion included though)
2017: All conference champions included.
2016: All conference champions included.
2015: All conference champions included
2014: All conference champions included.
If you gave the Power 5 auto bids, Washington would replace UCF in 2018. I think UCF with their QB is better than Washington.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:14 pm to TarnishedWisdom90
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I honestly like they way that looks on paper. A lot of high profile games and almost no really weak ones
I agree. When it’s a hypothetical argument for 8 it’s meh but I’d love those games and it be fun to watch it play out
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